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oh rilly? Lemme tell ya, there's been no end of excuse making and scapegoating by way of foriegn intrigues with the Dem party for a number of years now.

Lose an presidential election? Blame Putin.

Don't like a critique? Smear em as a Putin lover

Embarrassing information gets reported on? Red bait

All this and more from the sock puppets and drone cones

Anyhow:

'Gazprom PJSC will stop delivering natural gas to Europe through its main pipeline for three days, further squeezing energy supplies just as Germany is trying to build up stocks for the winter.'

Gazprom to Shut Pipeline for Three Days in New Shock to Europe

I can't believe Russia's still supplying gas to the countries that are aiding Ukraine and prolonging this war. About as weird as pumping gas to Germany who then sells it to Poland cuz the Poles refuse to pay in Rubles and would prefer to pay the German spot market price.

Didn't Washington warn about foreign embranglements?

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Putin is the pissant president of a pissant nation. Who cares if the partisan monkeys try to smear his feces on each other? All that matters is commerce.

Commerce must continue.

That's what makes the world go 'round, my friend, be it whale oil, logs or rum!

Russia is not(yet) at war with Germany and there are contracts to be met. Money for the war effort traded for the lives of German children when the devastating blizzards strike.

When all the rains that didn't fall, and all the rivers that dried up, come down in the form of snow!

Winter is coming.


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I've got no beef with the Russian people or their country. I've lived long enough to see how the media machine and Hollywood propaganda mills are used to shape public opinion to not start getting into a lather when the ruling classes have another StalinHitler to hate, much less a whole nation of varied people as Russia or China. Helps to have worked with Russian and Chinese, also. A great deal ( a majority, IMO) never bought the Clinton's 'Putin ate my homework!' excuse though it's the prevailing sentiment at the rant.

Lemme know when Russia starts planting missiles near our borders and arms and trains a fully integrated proxy army on our doorstep and I'll see it your way regarding Putin, Until then, I'm not hopping on the latest 'with us or against us' neocon bandwagon. Not when there's so much bloody gore on our side of the street.

So Neocons traded a potential geopolitical partner, rich in natural resources and technical manufacturing prowess, for a corrupt amalgam of crooked local oligarchs helping launder foreign military aid with U.S. politicians and bankrupted the EU economy. Neocons may have messianic instincts but seem utterly void of business instincts.

Yeah, winters coming for the EU. Sorry bout their luck backing a dumb horse..

'Year-ahead electricity prices continue to soar in Europe, with German power prices, the European benchmark, jumping to over $508 (500 euro) per megawatt-hour on Tuesday amid low Russian gas supply and a heatwave constraining supply and output from other fuel sources...
...Households and industries in Europe are bracing for a difficult winter with skyrocketing energy bills and costs, and industrial sectors – including major industries in Germany – have warned that they will curtail production due to high energy costs.'

Europe’s Power Prices Surge To New Record

Bought some more machine glue to tide me over for the next 4-5 years. Last purchase was in April, Cost $120/bag. $180/bag last week. Loving this economic war. The adults are back

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You have Russian missiles pointed at you as we speak. When has it ever been otherwise?

If the German chancellor feels he would be better off aligned with Russia, the military aid will stop and the gas flow will return to normal.

German voters are welcome to reject the pro-Ukrainian stance and demand that their government capitulates with Putin's requests so they will not be deprived of luxuries.

Europe could unite as a single great power under Putin's wise guidance.

A second colonization of the North American continent could commence, displacing the savages there.

Perhaps Greater Europe and China could split it down the middle, dividing its resources between them and subjugating the local Blue and Red tribes to work in the mines, forests, and fields.

Euro-Asian factories would then be unfettered in churning out the industrial needs of the industrialist world, and returning the bottom lines of billionaires worldwide to the evergrowing and astronomical proportions required for the happiness of the few.

China is having a few issues too, the heatwave is unrelenting, the Yangtze is dry, and power to the Sichuan manufacturing district has been cut off as there is no water to power the hydroelectric plants...

Neocons, huh? I'll keep an eye out for 'em.


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Originally Posted by Greger
You have Russian missiles pointed at you as we speak. When has it ever been otherwise?

If the German chancellor feels he would be better off aligned with Russia, the military aid will stop and the gas flow will return to normal.

German voters are welcome to reject the pro-Ukrainian stance and demand that their government capitulates with Putin's requests so they will not be deprived of luxuries.

Europe could unite as a single great power under Putin's wise guidance.

A second colonization of the North American continent could commence, displacing the savages there.

Perhaps Greater Europe and China could split it down the middle, dividing its resources between them and subjugating the local Blue and Red tribes to work in the mines, forests, and fields.

Euro-Asian factories would then be unfettered in churning out the industrial needs of the industrialist world, and returning the bottom lines of billionaires worldwide to the evergrowing and astronomical proportions required for the happiness of the few.

China is having a few issues too, the heatwave is unrelenting, the Yangtze is dry, and power to the Sichuan manufacturing district has been cut off as there is no water to power the hydroelectric plants...

Neocons, huh? I'll keep an eye out for 'em.

As I say, lemme know when Russia has a proxy army and missiles on our doorstep. Pointed at us from halfway around the world is another matter. The older generations managed to engage and form treaties around these weapons. The US unilaterally left those treaties and has refused to negotiate new ones.

Kinda like the currents neocons at state refused to negotiate with Russia, with respect to Ukraine, to avert this provoked war. Hand waving away those actions of the US doesn't make us less of a dick.

Europe could do worse than unite with Russia from an economic standpoint. Hence us provoking this war and blocking a major energy infrastructure project. Nord Stream 2. All the generated Russophobia over the last decade, etc.. S'funny that Trump tried to get it shut down, being Putin's b!tch and all.

The Germans may not have a choice in the matter of renegotiating with Russia. If you've been following the rapid pace of bilateral and multilateral trade deals that have been happening since March, it looks as though Russia may not need German business as much as Germany need's Russia's.

Don't see the need to comment on the rest of your fictional scenarios cept to say global warming is coming for us all. Don't understand the point of China in a drought.

Don't look far for neocons.

If Ziggy's Ukraine and Maui's Russia, wonder where we are in this scenario. I'm guessing where Ziggy gets thrown on the stack.


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Good times...

"Finland should be prepared for possible power outages this winter in case of shortfalls in electricity supply, the Finnish grid operator said on Tuesday, in yet another warning of an energy crunch in Europe after gas supply from Russia was severely reduced."

Finland Braces For Rolling Blackouts This Winter

Keep in mind, before the bullsh!tters have at it with the Emanual Goldstein rant of Putin, it was the collective west that sanctioned Russian hydrocarbons... Say, hows Exxons stock these days?...

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Well this is a spot of bother, whut:

"The UK faces a “dramatic and catastrophic winter for customers” as energy prices soar, according to a stark warning from the head of EDF Energy’s retail business...
...Prices for gas and electricity, which had already shot up around the world as economies recovered from coronavirus pandemic lockdowns, have been sent soaring by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, with Russia using its control over European gas supplies to try to gain political leverage."

UK customers face ‘catastrophic winter’ as energy costs soar, says EDF retail boss

Again: Note the Emanual Goldstein ranting of Putin... Energy was at the top of the West's sanctions list in March. Russia shrugged and basically said 'Fine. You want gas? Pay in Rubles. Or light yourselves on fire. We no longer care. Were warm.'

Tory's, having midwifed neoliberalism with Thatcher, will be fine with people freezing. I think this will be the real danger for their government post Johnson:

'Britain’s independent brewers have urged ministers to step in to save the sector, as research revealed more than 70% of pubs do not expect to survive the winter if nothing is done to ease energy costs.'

More than 70% of pubs do not expect to survive winter as energy costs soar

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Worldwide widget production is about to go into a tailspin for a variety of reasons. If you depend on fancy European widgets to make your world go-'round, I'd suggest you might diversify.

I was old school, Elmer's Professional worked for me most of my life, I considered myself quite the progressive when I retired because I had switched entirely to Titebond.

Neocons are not responsible for the pandemic, neocons are not responsible for the heat waves and droughts, dried-up rivers, and a shutoff of all hydroelectric power worldwide.

Putin is responsible for the war in Ukraine...the smoking gun and column of burned-out tanks lead directly to his door. I think he looked out at the sorry state of the world, the sadness and confusion, the fear...he saw supply chain snafus and markets in turmoil...and he thought to himself..."this would be a good time to conquer a neighboring country"

History led up to his decision to "annex" Crimea in 2014. People of varying ideologies influenced that history, including neocons and probably neolibs, some paleos and a bunch of bastardized ideologies that could fit in a bottle with any of those labels.

My previous venture into fiction was because you seem to feel that Americans are pretty much responsible for all the ills of the world and should be replaced by their betters from China and Eastern Europe.

Especially certain Americans that fit within a narrow ideological spectrum that you find abhorrent. It's kind of like the same red/blue divide but on a higher scale.

The hipster version, if you will...

NATO exists because Russia surrounds and absorbs all of its satellite nations like The Blob and other countries(including the US) protest their bold usurpation of territory. Russia meanwhile, continues to conquer neighboring countries, and non-NATO members are scrambling to join NATO as other Russia-dependent nations shuffle over to their side.

That's it...that's as deep as I go. Russia is pretty much guaranteed all the rights and freedoms as everyone else and if they put their missiles away so will NATO. Russia has refused to comply. Remember Kruschef pounding the podium with his shoe? "We will bury you!"

Same old same old...all over again.

It's a waltz I've been watching all my life. Some of the dancers have been better than others, some worse. They've all done the best they could up there and made their parents proud!


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Again, not sure what your saying between global warming and neocons, whathavya.
Is there a point there?

Neocons have run state for some time. Its been quipped on how neocons are making the world safe for neoliberalism.

You’ve stated you know little of foreign policies. I’d agree, based on your Crimea comments. The sanctions are blowing up in the vassal states faces but who said we’re smart? More like empire ideology driven stupidly as far as I can tell.

Machine glue bubba. Bit different than elmers. Only comes from one place that I know of. I’m just a peon. Can’t imagine what it will do to the big boys with their big toys. This is only casework in a single industry. I’m sure other industries will see difficulties with substitutions as I’ve commented previously. Magic hand waving with your suggestions aside this will effect domestic politics.

I think in the case of Ukraine, yes, America had a leading role in the conflict. Still does in continuing it. Not a word of peace negotiations from our government but as long as the treats keep flowing at a reasonable costs, when has Americans cared what our government does to people abroad? You can salute the flag all you want but it doesn’t change certain facts. You seem to think the sun shines outta uncle sams arse and never does harmin the world? We’re always the good guys then?

I think Yemenis, Iraqis, Syrians, Afghans, etc etc would beg to differ if they could.

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For better or worse, I'm under the protection of and entirely dependent on Uncle Sam.
If I was a Russian pensioner with no news to watch but Putin's State channel I'd likely be rooting for the boys at the front! I don't pretend that my team is innocent but when you live in Manchester you pretty much root for Manchester City

One of your key points is supply chain holdups holding up the workers of the world.
Untidy things...I'm not talking about global warming, I'm talking about hydropower. Shutting down factories.

Widgets are going to be in short supply. Food is going to be in short supply. I'm more concerned with the price of olive oil than gasoline.

If there was a riddle about who caused all this then yes, it was the neocons.

Some say it was Republicans, and to them I reply...what do you propose to do about them?

If ranting about them is what you want then, by golly, you've come to the right place.

I just come around to make conversation and boot the thread along so you can rant some more about them,

I do it as a public service. Not because I'm trying to make any particular point.


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