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The future is a much more interesting subject than the past...

Putin seems to be pulling homeless drunks off the streets and sending them to be ground up by the war machine. He wants to send half a million more untrained troops to The Western Front.

He has threatened to expand the war to Moldova if they interfere in any way with his dangerous drunken troops.

And the CEO of the second largest oil company in Russia(who didn't support the war) just fell out of a hospital window to his death. Vlad the Poisoner.

There are good reasons countries keep missiles on their borders with Russia. If we had a border with Russia it would be bristling with them on both sides. If Ukraine had missiles on its border with Russia perhaps this war could have been avoided.

Do you have any specific predictions you think we'll see over the next few months?

Or are you just going to let us be surprised and then come back and tell us you told us so?

Somebody smarter than me said past is prologue.

But this is the United States of maintained amnesia so I’ll leave it to you and the rest to sort out which narratives are the correct ones for repetition and prophecy.

I can’t help wonder what the great mass of miserables in Europe will do. That’s worth speculating on.

While you bang on with the Russophobic claims of incompetence, drunkenness and overextended conditions in Ukraine, I’ll avoid pointing out the 3-1 troop superiority with air cover rule of thumb calculation for an invading army that just got shredded by Russia’s SMO. You could speculate what that means about the quality of NATO military training or the billions spent on MIC bloat ware but I’m guessing that’s not a welcome line of conversation by the drone cones. Nawp. Russia’s military is incompetent, drunk, running out of ammo, rapey, etc, etc, etc..

The rubles in trouble, Russia’s a gas station with nukes, the Slav doesn’t understand modern society, yellow cake, pee tapes, America’s the indispensable nation standing taller and seeing further, etc etc.. That’s the preferred line here, correct? Fall in line with false narratives concocted by an incompetent ruling elite with a history of bad outcomes?

My prediction is more foot in mouth assertions of progress with our proxy war and its authors while Europe freezes and it’s economy implodes while virtue signaling moralists never quite get around to asking who’s benefitting and who’s selling wolf tickets to this latest sh!t show.

All other US state sponsored conflicts on sovereign countries will be deemed whataboutism and ignored. Russia had no provocation and is the only aggressor.

The Ukraine is the only important matter of demockracy and freedum for the US, where Russia is the sole bad guy and having a shared border with an antagonist NATO trained proxy army is happenstance. It’s reaction to years long provocation justifies the provocations for some.

I could go on but I’m running late for my morning flag salute at my local post office. Hope to see you there.

They will do what great masses of Miserables have done since the dawn of time. Dying in large numbers is one of the things they're noted for, great suffering usually comes before that...starvation, sickness, grief, sadness...deprivation.

Too bad for them eh?


So essentially the same thing I'd predict! It's a slow-motion trainwreck with a fairly inevitable ending. It began when the train left the station with a carload of neocons...

Economic implosion. Worldwide.

It's a very possible scenario, around 30% likelihood would be my guess.

There's an equal chance that workarounds are found and things don't get much weirder than they are right now.

Things are never going to be "normal" again, the miraculous age of prosperity may be coming to its end...we may all be Les Miserables before this is over. Perhaps people could learn to lead simpler, more self-sufficient lives...in much smaller numbers of course.

The man who started the war with a word could end it with a word. And stave off all that death and suffering. He's betting the West will blink first....


Ummm...remember the cold war? This situation didn't arise out of a vacuum. The Eastern bloc and the West have been at loggerheads forever. Both parties are aggressive and ruthless. Was the Warsaw pact also the result of Neocon meddling?

The Cold War moved a lot of MIC merch and the threat from the soviets (not what we’re talking about today,btw, but propaganda runs deep) was found to be greatly exaggerated. Cripes, the Russians lost 20 million from ww2 and were under no illusions of western intent after the war. Weren’t they invaded by us after their revolution? Wasn’t England involved in that one as well?

Hunter Thompson’s last book, iirc, was ‘Kingdom of Fear’ and I think he nailed it. It’s always something with the MIC and it’s supplicants. The communist infiltration sapping our precious bodily essence, the iron sheik, the Teflon kimono, the Wiley Chinese. It grows old.

I get the addiction to propaganda.

I’d argue about who started the war but I think you like a simple narrative at the expense of all evidence to the contrary. The 2014 coup we sponsored and the concrete pouring, military funding and training we were underwriting in the intervening 8 years may have been the casus belli and has been warned against by more capable statesmen than the current crop running this sh!t show of a disaster. I’ve linked to several but, again, propaganda…

Neocons weren’t the dominant force during the late 30’s. They rose to power in the 90’s.

Isn’t the current situation in Ukraine so much better than if we negotiated a security framework with Russia? You know, the demand from them that we rejected and I started this thread over? Months before the foreseen hostilities started. Much better to make Russia our enemy, pauperise our allies and alienate the world diplomatically and economically outside NATOstan. If I jacked up a job this bad, I’d be looking for scapegoats too I suppose. When all else fails blame Putin. Worked in 2016 so there’s that.

Ain't it the truth? They manufacture all this fancy killing hardware that tends to pile up in dangerous and expensive-looking junk heaps, and so they need wars to test and burn up ordinance...

If you ever doubt America's widget-making and manufacturing capacity just look at our MIC.

"A 1922 treaty between Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Transcaucasia (modern Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan) formed the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). The newly established Communist Party, led by Marxist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, took control of the government."(wiki)

Things went south after that.
Lenin was on the right track but somehow Stalin ran things off the rails. I know very little of Stalin and none of it is good.

The Great Depression may have had some influence on that...or that might have had some influence on The Great Depression...

What I know is probably false and nothing but the product of Western propaganda. I imagine Stalin was truly a wonderful and sorely misunderstood man, and since I believe he was bad then he must surely have been good beyond measure.

My assessment of Putin is, I imagine, completely false as well...and Trump...and Hitler and all the rest, living and dead, I am a cesspool of false information and I ask only that you enlighten me!

Never said it was. But we didn't. We got what we got.

It remains Putin's war. Everybody else wishes it would stop.

Change my mind.

As mentioned previously, the largest NATO trained army in Europe was just hosed by less than half the number of Russian federation combatants against conventional warefare wisdom. We could talk about the histories of Russia’s vs. ours MIC procurements. But basically, I’m more of a plowshare kinda guy,

Stalin’s a product of his time, temperament. All I’m saying is, there’s been solid historical evidence of BS’ing the Murican public to sell MIC merch. The threat of the Soviet Union to Europe was partly manufactured by Truman. Stalin went from ‘Uncle Joe’ and shown as a heroic figure to Americans during the war and, on a dime turn, a figure almost as bad as Hitler. Not quite but just about.

Kinda like Diem, Saddam, Ghadafi, Noriega, Marcos, Yeltsin etc, etc

As far as all your ink spilling about the Soviet’s or Stalin, you do have some pretty strong opinions. Your welcome to em and any of the history you want. All I’ll say is the communists lifted more people out of serfdom in less time than capitalism and you’d be hard pressed to convince me it was done more violently or repressively than capitalism.


Anyways, I find it weird that its all about Putin. His polling is very high right now. Economies doing better than Europe’s is. All the Russians wanted was a neutral Ukraine and stop shelling the breakaways. Unless, of course, your from the ‘Putin stole our homework!’ bent.

Plenty of serious state dept officials warned where this was heading. Lots of economists warned about the consequences of the sanctions war. Here we are. Not often you see vassal countries commit suicide at the request of the empire.

Like I said, my assessment of anyone and everyone is a false construct of Western Propaganda. Please gaslight the way for me...

You seem to be saying you are dissatisfied with history and you wish things had happened differently...?

Me too.

NATO sucks. Putin rocks! Go communism!

I’m anti-imperialist and have never been shy about it.

Not into imperialist wars. Perhaps you are? It at least don’t mind em? I would think you’d appreciate the news links of the unfolding economic carnage and human suffering I’m posting then?

I mean, it’s not like anyone here has expressed an opinion (which is all the Rant is) of a desire for a peaceful settlement.

Nah. A lot of excitement of Putin’s imagined destruction and dubious drone cone echoing claims of Russian military incompetence, uninvestigated war crime behavior, etc, etc. I’m guessing that suspension of disbelief is getting harder as the material conditions keep getting worse in the Donbass in particular, Europe in general, the US eventually (though I don’t think near as bad as Europe).

Sure, I’m not happy with certain aspects of history. I would think that’s normal from anyone having any interest in it.

Not happy with our unfolding history of NATO expansion and Provocation/proxy war with a nuclear armed power. IMO, better to have Russia as an partner than an enemy but time will tell and you seem to have a different opinion. Blueanon types have drunk the 2016 Dem election fiasco koolaide and are all in with this conflict involving nuclear powers.

I guess I could ask you if your happy with the current crises? Has it gone the way you hoped? If so, why so? If not, why not?

Or will you dismiss the question with a ‘my opinion doesn’t matter anyhow’ evasion?

“ When the greatest military power of all time has an identity crisis, the world is in danger. With the end of the Cold War, NATO’s role as a de- fensive alliance ended. There were those who said that NATO should have been dissolved, now that there was no more Soviet Union. But there were also those—many of whom were bureaucrats benefiting from the existence of such a massive organization—who said NATO should now be used as a weapon to forge “democracy” around the world—in other words, it should be used to promote the global economy, and make the world free for Coca-Cola. Four of the six constituent republics within former Yugoslavia agreed to this immediate transition to “democ- racy.” Serbia did not, and it paid the price. In fact, everyone in the for- mer Yugoslavia paid the price, and Srebrenica was part of that price.
Post-mortem studies of events in the former Yugoslavia, including those by the United Nations, have cited the international community’s inability to recognize “evil” as the main reason for its inability to end the wars of the 1990s in the Balkans. If such self-delusion were not so tragic, it would be comic. Wars have never been fought to destroy evil, no mat- ter what religious zealots may assert. Wars have been fought for eco- nomic, political, strategic and social reasons. The wars of the 1990s in the Balkans were no different. It was geopolitics, not original sin, that drove NATO’s ambitions.”

SREBRENICA MASSACRE


It’s not like we haven’t seen the prequel to the current US led NATO sh!t show before. Again, past is prologue and you could easily read about similar history in Georgia. That is, if you have any interest. Or listen to blow dried Madison ave infotainment programs. I don’t care.

I was sad to see the war break out in Yugoslavia. I know some ‘leftists’ will say it wasn’t doing socialism the correct way but it enjoyed the best of both worlds and had a rocking film festival in Zagreb that was well attended by both sides of the curtain. I remember the refugees working in the film industry with dirty or no visas being taken advantage of by unscrupulous production houses. ‘Who they gunna complain too?’ Was the reassurance to the rational for exploitation.

Naw, I agree, NATO’s a market built around standards and public investments that needs a reason for its existence. Putin’s just another comic villain for the proles , Emanuel Goldstein for the PMC. Underneath all the BS is a market that, having been created, cannot be dismantled. Not unlike fossil fuels and consumerism.

I guess I should be glad that Europe’s sliding under the ice from its own internal contradictions while simultaneously tying itself to ours. Some seem happy about the current situation. Who’s to say what’s appropriate?

Remember all that ‘mother of all sanctions’ stuff when the PMC was finally getting its war with Putin? Who recalls the ef Putin, eff Russia swagger and fronting off?

I do.

“ European energy companies are facing margin calls of a total of $1.5 trillion in the derivatives market and many would need policy support to cover them amid wild swings and skyrocketing gas and power prices, an executive at Norway’s energy major Equinor told Bloomberg on Tuesday. According to Helge Haugane, Equinor’s senior vice president for gas and power, the $1.5-trillion estimate is even “conservative”.

“Lehman Event” Looms For Europe As Energy Companies Face $1.5T In Margin Calls

Yessiree… the adults are back. To bad political time doesn’t keep pace with economic time. Looks like it will be to late for a course correction the current fanatics (now in the bosom of the Democratic Party) need to take to avoid this wall.

Not well thought out but ya gotta admire the unearned confidence of these Ivy league maniacs. And why not? It’s not like there’s ever any consequences for them. I don’t expect there will be for this mother if all cluster eff’s either.

Hope there’s no exposure for the US in this.