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There isn't much to know because it's a pretty straightforward Russian ethnic cleansing campaign.

That's it. We like this chunk of land, so we're eliminating the folks who always lived there and importing our own, and calling it "ours" and tough titty if you don't like it.
And eighty years from now we're going to expand on that and do more of the same, only this time our plan is to take the country whole" (with that latter part being openly expressed on official Russian state media)
No more Ukraine, like it never even existed.

The whole thing, 1930's onward to present day, sounds like an Amon Goeth wet dream:
"Today is history."



Not very much different from our own "Indian Removal Program" (Trail of Tears)
And Chunkstyle seems to be taking the Andrew Jackson position because it sounds like he thinks larger problems will rear up if Ukraine succeeds in stopping the Russian Trail of Tears.
And we're the bad guys for helping them.

Also, mumble mumble Voldemort and ink sacs ---

Now do Isreal….

What happened in Galicia Jeff?
Who’s this Bandera guy anyhow?
What were the borders of the Ukraine before WW1 or after WW2.
Who fought with the fascists in WW2? Who taught against them?

Naaaahhh, it’s all about the Voldemort and the ethnically incorrect peoples living there. Nothing has happened between now and then. Nothing at all.


Let’s argue our feelings about it.

You go first.

‘ KYIV, Ukraine — Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists held a torchlight march in the capital of Kyiv to mark the birthday of Stepan Bandera, the leader of a rebel militia that fought alongside Nazi soldiers in World War II….
… During World War II, Bandera led the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, whose men killed thousands of Jews and Poles, including women and children, while fighting alongside Nazi Germany against the Red Army and communists.…
… Expressions of admiration for Bandera and other collaborators have increased in scope and status following the 2014 revolution in Ukraine, which toppled the regime of Viktor Yanukovych…
…. The veneration of Nazi collaborators, including killers of Jews, is a growing phenomenon in Eastern Europe, where many consider such individuals as heroes because they resisted Soviet Communism’

Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists march in honor of Nazi collaborator

Some of the hijinks Bandera organization got up to in Poland-

‘ The massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia (Polish: rze? wo?y?ska, lit.?'Volhynian slaughter'; Ukrainian: ????????? ????????, romanized: Volynska trahediia, lit.?'Volyn tragedy'), were carried out in German-occupied Poland by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, or the UPA, with the support of parts of the local Ukrainian population against the Polish minority in Volhynia, Eastern Galicia, parts of Polesia and Lublin region from 1943 to 1945.[7] The peak of the massacres took place in July and August 1943. Most of the victims were women and children.[8] Many of the Polish victims regardless of age or gender were tortured before being killed; some of the methods included rape, dismemberment or immolation, among others.[5] The UPA's actions resulted in between 50,000[1] and 100,000 deaths.[3][4]’

Galicia massacre

Here’s how the Polish governments web site views Bandera-

‘ He pushed the activity of the OUN towards individual terror against the representatives of Polish authorities and against Ukrainians who were believed to collaborate with enemies. In western Ukraine, Bandera is considered a hero of the national liberation movement.’

Stepan Bandera - leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists

Seems like a fun guy. Someone to take a road trip with.

Not that any far right political movement would hold him up as an idol after taking a role in a coup against a previously elected government. If anyone did object to the sudden lurch to the right of a coup installed government (sorry, a freedom loving patriotic revolution) they’re probably people of an illegitimate culture anyways. To end any confusion, newly installed government could prove how illegitimate those objecting people are by, well, making aspects of their culture or employment illegal. Easy peasy japanesey…

Now you got yerself an incendiary internal sitch that the NATOstans will in no way try to exploit or expand. There’s absolutely no reporting or documentation that could corroborate these events or current conditions and crack smoking Hunter Biden is a savant of international hydrocarbon law.

Hundreds, eh? Wow.
And yet Poland has over 2 million refugees and most of them are hosted as guests in private homes by Polish people.

United Nations: UN expert praises generosity towards Ukrainian refugees by Poland

Guess they must have come to an understanding about those hundreds.
Did anyone do a head count of Ukrainians who condemned them?

Your sorta the case of leading a horse to water. I get it.

‘Nazis? What Nazis? We don’t see no stinking Nazis!’ Bout sums up your understanding of the present situation correct? I suppose you’d have to look past the complicated history and the corrupt political dynamics that are part of Ukraines past and present. Settle yourself into some singular event like the Holdomor famine of the early thirties as the origin story of the current crises if it helps your spin. I’d say it’s one of many factors.

You went on an inconclusive Russiagate bender when Trump was elected. One wonders what kind of reaction you would have to the fascists activities on a scale that were observed and reported on after tge 2014 coup in Ukraine? Going way beyond tiki torch marches.

Your holdomort terror is real. Resettlement and displacement within Eastern Europe looks like a feature and not a bug. Not so sure how relevant it is to today’s Ukraine communities except the Nazis believe all the eastern republics should be purified of their inferior cultures. Not a great partner in a coalition government after Maidan coup. Holdomor would be very relevant to these groups. Oddly like it is to you, btw.

Maidan coup could be a topic by itself. Who composed the groups participating in it. What outside influences were involved.

I’ve linked to all this information, from major news publications, reporting on these events I n past posts on this thread. I would heavily discount any news article coming post March 2022 explaining the reasons for the current crises as our media does it’s usual embedding with state and NatSec once they commit to the bit. You have to read press outside the NATOstan countries to get a clearer picture of the current situation, IMO.

Sweden, they do socialism rrrriiiight!!


‘ As Europe awaits Swedish election results that balance on a knife's edge, some are asking: How did this happen?
In Sweden, a bastion of tolerance, a nationalist and anti-immigrant party is on the cusp of joining a right-wing coalition in government rule.’

Sweden's election: The astonishing rise of the right-wing Sweden Democrats

I’ll bet it was Putin’s fault again.

Wow, it's like listening to one of my kids when they were eight and bedtime at 9:30PM felt draconian.
"I guess you'll be making me go to bed at 4PM soon!"
Right...sure. Exaggerate much?

I said earlier that it sounds like their military does indeed have a Nazi problem, and I noted that it might be a bit less Nazis than our own quite possibly. I don't know the exact numbers but I do know that our own government is struggling to deal with our own nazi problem in our own armed forces.

I wouldn't want any form of radical or extreme political ideology in our military but it seems like, as you say, a feature rather than a bug. Maybe serving in the military attracts people who are amenable to gravitating toward one extreme end or the other.

So, I think it would behoove us to ask Ukraine if there's anything we can do to help them eliminate as many nazis from their military as possible while we also try to do the same in our own.

It's more than a bit amusing to watch you project...and exaggerate.