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It was fun arguing with you Jeff. I’d say your right about it being like arguing with a surly kid.

As I said, I’ve provided citations for my observations. I’ll continue to observe you as you are.

‘ Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky will address U.S. defense contractors later this month when he headlines the annual Future Force Capabilities Conference and Exhibition hosted by the National Defense Industrial Association (NDIA).’

Zelensky to headline US defense industry conference

We haven’t even gotten to the US market interest in Ukraine.

All that wheat commodity. All those weapons sales. The previously mentioned European financially gamed hydrocarbon markets. The US politico’s money laundering.

No, let’s bring it back to Holdomor and one specific atrocity among many before and after.

Squirt squirt

‘ According to the International Trade Administration, Ukraine is one of the most fertile places on the planet, with 25-30 percent of the world’s black soil reserves. With over 41 million hectares of agricultural land, covering 70 percent of the country, agriculture is Ukraine’s largest export industry. Unfortunately, the absence of a functioning, private land market; limited investment in the agricultural sector;…’

PRIVATE SECTOR ON THE FRONTLINES OF LAND REFORM TO UNLOCK UKRAINE’S INVESTMENT POTENTIAL

Loan countries un-repayable loans with a pliant leadership. Extract concessions for loans. Privatize public spaces. An old game of the US. Especially when it comes to food production.

Lots of moving parts clanking along pushing us closer to the edge in our proxy war.

No wonder Vlad wants to annex it. He can then hold food from the rest of Europe too!

And force NATOstan to its knees!

Ukraine appears to be on the march, driving back Russian forces and reclaiming territory.

Vlad didn't bulk up his military forces before he invaded Ukraine. He hasn't got the trained manpower nor the materiel to carry out the occupation and expansion.

Ukraine has been training for a Russian invasion for years. They have all the materiel in the world at their fingertips.

Every country who shares a border with Russia trains for a Russian invasion. Even Russia's allies keep a sharp watch over their shoulder.

Right or wrong, Russia is going to lose this little scuffle.

Wall to wall paper blizzards of JJ Mearsheimer's revised edition of a "stabbed in the back myth" --- yeah wow.
Interesting watching Putin apologists adapt the German WW1 version of blaming everyone but themselves.

Meh,

You’ve said a lot about Russia’s intent. That’s fine and entertaining I guess. I’m looking at context and the historical record.


I’d agree with you that it doesn’t seem plausible for the Russian army of apx. 200k active in this SMO will do any better than we did in the lesser people’s countries. Not that Putin claimed that taking over the whole country was its goal. Goals tend to change over time though. Especially given all the NATO material and training.

I’d only add that there’s that conflict of economic time vs. military time vs. political time that’s at play in this. As I said, I’m a ploughshare kinda guy and there’s other stuff I feel more confident in understanding to post on. Leave it to the fantasists to cover.

Not that there records of opinion would be better. I think some people just get off on it more.

Yes, Jeffery, walls of text. TLDR...opinion pieces with links to other opinion pieces piecing together an opinion that matches one's own


And I've conceded that you're probably right but it doesn't change anything. It certainly doesn't change my opinion that this is Putin's war and that it was supposed to be a quick takeover of a nation that didn't want to be taken over.

And that he has bitten off more than he can chew.

Those are my observations based on my own (minimal) Googling around to get the basic facts on things.

Chunks...I still don't get exactly what your position is or how you hope to advance it. Why don't you state it clearly rather than sending us on wild Google chases...

World markets are adjusting as we speak, and the world is becoming more and more outraged as natural gas prices soar...and every finger is pointing at Russia...

Esoteric rants on the evils of NATO are going to fall flat on the ears of most in the West.

I’ll leave it to others, if anyone could really give two farts about it, to go thru the thread and see what I’ve posted is how you’ve described it. I guess when your politics are mostly aesthetic, any point of view or historical reference that falls outside that aesthetic is gunna be shunned, mocked or attacked. I get that. There doesn’t seem to be much else to you is there?

Ignore all the context and record except the cherry picked ones that help you in your virtuous opinions.

You do realize that I don’t have anything to apologize for? You think I have something to do with starting this conflict? You think I’m doing heavy lifting for Putin cuz I don’t go along with your Russiagating ghost stories?

I find it odd BTW, that a aee we kd described son of Jewish emigrees has no comments on Ukranian war crimes against Jews in Galicia. Quit an erasure that. Kinda denially. Guess it fell outside the aesthetic for you or you missed it, being laser focused of the Holdomor, Holdomor, Holdomor.

I simply don’t believe in your bigotry or biases. Hardly makes me an apologist. Frankly, I see this as a disaster for everyone involved. Included us, btw.

“Yes, Jeffery, walls of text. TLDR...opinion pieces with links to other opinion pieces piecing together an opinion that matches one's own“

No one says you have to read it but Rilly? That’s what I’m doing? Huh, guess the same applies to you as it does to Jeff. I think I’ve posted links everywhere from VOA, Bloomberg, NYT, WAPO, Oil Price, CNBC, Reuters, Al Jazeerah, SCMP, etc. etc.

Didn’t realize they were all opinion pieces. Sure some may have been. Someone expressing an idea I might have agreed with or disagreed with and stated why. But all of em? Jeeze…. Wow…. I had no idea they were all opinion peices. Unless of course they weren’t.

Like I’ve said in the past, I liked it better back in the day when a citation was often called on BS. Kinda like:

“…Putin's war and that it was supposed to be a quick takeover of a nation that didn't want to be taken over.“

Who said it was? Your opinion, Putin’s statements? Russia’s MDO?

“ and every finger is pointing at Russia”

That’s not what I’ve been reading and, by golly, it’s not an op Ed peice…

or

“ Ukraine has been training for a Russian invasion for years. They have all the materiel in the world at their fingertips.”

Howzat? We’re they trained in NATO Doctrine?

Ok pal, just cuz you asked but I’m struggling to understand why your having a difficult time with it.

My position is;

DEESCALATE

NEGOTIATE

Do you need help with those words. Don’t recall my position having changed and I’m tired of repeating them so I don’t. There’s no furthering of goals here. What on earth do you think gets furthered along as a goal by posting here? Examples would be handy here.

You mean like how we tried to negotiate with Trump?