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Are you talking about Russiagate ghost stories to delegitimize and hamstring a presidency?

Seemed like a fancy lad rat f#cking project when their was plenty if real violations to go after him for, if that is what your talking about. But then Russiagate was lifting many boats, servicing many interests. It really didn’t matter if it was true or not.

I’m just guessing here. Your ‘negotiating with Trump’ is pretty vague. Is it snark or are you being serious? I’m leaning towards snark. As usual.

The only one who can de-escalate is Putin. And yes, that's a bit like asking Trump to back down on his war against democracy.


I seldom post links or citations unless I start a thread with an article from someplace...which I also rarely do.

I try to research anything I say before I say it because I don't want to look like a fool.

Everything here is opinion. Because we operate from the same basic set of facts. That's why I don't argue with the facts as you present them. NATO is no angel. The United States is a big bully and a bigger assh*le.

I'm aware. All I really care about is your opinion, your side of the argument, and how you think this is all going to turn out. I don't have a lot of time to read stuff other folks found interesting, it puts me to sleep.

But anyway...that long column of burned-out tanks on the road to Kyiv speaks to me of a national conquest attempt. Take Kyiv. Depose Zelensky. SMO complete. Nothing anybody can do but complain. Ukraine is ours. Moldova is next....

But every Russian tank in the column was a firetrap. Because Russia is a corrupt autocracy and that's what happens when a corrupt autocracy tries to flex its phony muscles.

The most recent set of negotiations have to do with stolen national security documents.

Apparently you THINK it's vague but if so, give us ONE instance where ANYONE (other than a judge in court holding all the cards) has been able to negotiate ANYTHING with Trump where Trump compromised for the good of anyone other than himself.

If you think it's possible to negotiate with Putin, show me any other country that Putin has gone to war with that negotiated a peaceful cessation of said war. Ukraine declared its independence from the USSR on 24 August 1991.
On 8 December 1991 USSR ceased to exist.

Since then, Putin has been determined to reestablish Russian power over these former republics, having "a bite of everybody else's" as is apparently Russian custom going back at least as far as Kruschev.
He wants Ukraine back under Russian control but apparently Ukraine has other ideas...like maybe self-determination.

But you seem to think it's all our fault and that somehow Putin can be negotiated with.
Show us how this would work, please and show us how Ukraine would fare in such negotiations, or at least, explain how you think Ukraine would benefit. We already have a fairly good reckoning how Putin would benefit, methinks.

What is your source for knowing ‘Putin’s plan’ you based your opinions on?

I’d be curious to know that as it would be a major security breach for Russia. Or is it an opinion based on speculations?

Russia had rejected the breakaway republics appeals for independence for eight years preferring to work with European partners to find a security framework solution aka Minsk1 and Minsk2. 8 years of negotiations seems for a peaceful settlement seems to contradict your opinions. Then again, ‘all Russians lie’ is a handy free pass.


Y’all are making comic book narratives to fit your biases and bigotry. I’m curious to know what motivates it.

You do love to distract and conflate.

What happened to all those polish Jews, women and children in Galicia Jeff? You never did answer that one. You being an expert in Eastern European atrocities of the early 20th century and all. I’m always curious who was happy to do the Nazis a solid and who resisted.

Who oh who did all that torture and murdering in Galicia?….

I sure hope it wasn’t an organization that has its ideological roots from that period of time or venerates that groups leader in the current day. That would be upsetting to think about.

Or bring out your Trump yarn diagrams… squirt squirt

So you're unable to show us how negotiations with Putin would work.
And that's because the only negotiating position Putin, by his own words, will accept, is that in which Ukraine ceases to exist except as part of Russia.


Every Chunk accusation is a mini-confession.

Galicia was a historical and geographic region spanning what is now southeastern Poland and western Ukraine.
Are you intent on continuing to paper over the other nations that were factors in the massacre of Jews in that region?
Are we talking about the WW1 era, the pogroms and massacres of Soviet Ukraine or some combination of both?
Are you taking into account the 1200 Jewish enlistees who joined the Ukrainian Galician Army?

The persecution of Jews in East Galicia during World War I and its aftermath occurred under two different national administrations, the Russian Empire and the Second Polish Republic. The nationalizing campaigns of both Russians and Poles in East Galicia aimed at isolating and persecuting “alien” Jews.
In the end the most damage done to Jewish people in Galicia was done by Russian military actions and occupation.

Did you want to include that or does it conflict with your "Ukrainians are Nazis" contention?
Was that too "aesthetic" for you?
Enough with your tankie bowdlerizing. It's pathetic.

His own words. Quit sealioning. We all know Putin's plans for Europe, ALL of it.

I have no idea what Putin's plan is.

But again I point to his string of burned-out tanks on the road to Kyiv. Do I need to find a citation to prove that they exist? We all looked at pictures of them for weeks. His "plan" at that point was pretty obvious.

But the road was too long, the opposition too determined, and the tanks too flammable.

Kyiv and Zelensky still stand. Russia was never prepared for a lengthy occupation or even to defend the territory it annexed in 2014.

Both China and India, Putin's biggest allies, have requested that he cool his jets and negotiate a settlement because this sh*t is bad for business. (and people, Modi even mentioned people)

Putin blames Ukraine for the failure of the negotiations and refuses to call off his dogs.

Once his attempt to take out Kyiv failed it has been anybody's guess what Putin planned or hoped to ultimately accomplish.

I think this is going to end badly for Putin.

PM Modi and I are in complete agreement...this is not an era for war.

Putin ITAH.