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All states have laws on their books on elections and who to award their electoral votes. Until those laws start to be changed, there’s no worry. Back in the beginning of this country, it was the people would vote for their state legislatures and their state legislatures would award that states electoral votes. It’s called being a representative republic. The people were represented by their elected state legislature and their state legislature would award the electoral votes. It wasn’t until after the civil war that all the states went to the popular vote.

But as long as each state has state laws that electoral votes will be awarded to the candidate who receives the most popular votes, not a thing to worry about. A state would have to pass a law prior to any presidential election to let a state legislature once again award their state’s electoral votes as the legislature deemed. Until we see some states passing laws like that, no worry.

Originally, being a representative republic meant the people voted for and elected their state legislatures. As the representative of the people of their state, the state legislature would award that states electoral votes and choose their states 2 senators. All part of being the representative of the people in a representative republic. The framers did leave the people to directly elected their members of the House of Representatives which is why the House is known as the peoples house.


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Originally Posted by perotista
All states have laws on their books on elections and who to award their electoral votes. Until those laws start to be changed, there’s no worry.

Too busy dealing with multiple home repair crises but I think I already read about two or three states that are INDEED about to pass laws that allow them to ignore voter tallies if they don't like the results.
One of them is Arizona.

Now back to manning the phones and texts.


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I believe you are misrepresenting the facts.

State legislatures have never awarded electoral votes based on makeup of state legislature. You have conflated and confused the history of electoral votes. Initially the electoral votes were apportioned based on popular votes. If they had done it your way, there would never have been a general election for president. It was only later states changed the mechanism for electoral determination to one where most states now award all electoral votes based on winner of popular vote. There are some caveats, which I will not go into.

The problem is you continue to ignore the reality of Trumpism which does not recognize the law as you think you know it. Do you really think Kari Lake cares what you believe? If she says there was fraud, guess what ... Republicans in AZ will overturn the election results.

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Originally Posted by rporter314
The problem is you continue to ignore the reality of Trumpism which does not recognize the law as you think you know it. Do you really think Kari Lake cares what you believe? If she says there was fraud, guess what ... Republicans in AZ will overturn the election results.

Head in the sand is not a good look

I don't think he's intentionally misrepresenting anything as much as I get the impression that he still believes that "Republicans run things fair and square."
And it should be no surprise to anyone that most people in our generation still believe that.

I don't believe it's "head in the sand" as much as it is "this is too awful to believe, it can't happen here".
That, my friends, is precisely HOW "The Big Lie" gambit has always worked:

People of high principles hear The Big Lie and they are so appalled that they simply flat out refuse to believe that anyone could say or do something that awful. It's just too much.

"Oh come now, you're exaggerating...XXXX could never happen in the USA and it never will, you're engaging in hyperbole, no one could ever do such a thing, they wouldn't dare!"

And then guess what, someone goes ahead and DOES "the thing" that no one believed could be done, and instead of learning from that, they close their eyes as hard as they can and refuse to see.

It's human nature.

Kari Lake is the evil cheerleader in the movie "Carrie" who convinces her boyfriend to tip a pail of pig's blood all over Carrie White at the prom.
And as Carrie wipes the blood she hears her mother's warning:

"They're all gonna laugh at you!"
"They're all gonna laugh at you!"
"They're all gonna laugh at you!"
"They're all gonna laugh at you!"



Kari probably got away with whatever cruel pranks she pulle d in high school and she's been getting away with more and more all along. No one in her party would DARE confront the Mean Girl In Chief.

And that is precisely HOW she will manipulate her state if she wins the gubernatorial election.
She will see to it that enough money gets thrown around that the state house WILL PASS a new law that DOES allow AZ to do whatever Kari Lake and her Trumpers want with the vote tallies.
And state after state after state will follow suit if she gets away with it because there's no mechanism in place to STOP such a thing.

Over half the Republican nominees for office in November are election deniers, and on Saturday, October 8, Republican nominee for Nevada secretary of state Jim Marchant told a rally, “We’re gonna fix the whole country and President Trump is gonna be president again.”

I can almost hear a smug nasally smarmy voice saying "We're following the Constitution!!!"


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You're partially correct Jeff, some states are trying to elect Trumpian SecStates so they don't have to recognize future election results. That is why the GOP is so determined to get Trump Republicans into office this election cycle. Arizona is one of those states.

This is all indicative of the Repubican march to Fascism.


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Originally Posted by rporter314
I believe you are misrepresenting the facts.

State legislatures have never awarded electoral votes based on makeup of state legislature. You have conflated and confused the history of electoral votes. Initially the electoral votes were apportioned based on popular votes. If they had done it your way, there would never have been a general election for president. It was only later states changed the mechanism for electoral determination to one where most states now award all electoral votes based on winner of popular vote. There are some caveats, which I will not go into.

The problem is you continue to ignore the reality of Trumpism which does not recognize the law as you think you know it. Do you really think Kari Lake cares what you believe? If she says there was fraud, guess what ... Republicans in AZ will overturn the election results.

Head in the sand is not a good look
State legislature choose the electors in our early days. There wasn’t any modern political party back then. That didn’t come about until Andrew Jackson bolted the Jefferson’s Republicans to form the Democratic Party as old hickory was angry at the House of Representatives for choosing J.Q. Adams as president.

In 1800 for example, of the 16 states that took part in the 1800 election, six (Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Tennessee, and Virginia) used some kind of popular vote. In Rhode Island and Virginia, voters elected their state's entire Electoral College delegation at large; Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina, and Tennessee all used some variation of single-member districts. In the rest, 10 states the electors were chosen by the state legislature.

In 1816, in the following states, the state legislatures choose the electors. No popular vote. Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New York, South Carolina, Vermont.

In 1824 when Jackson won the popular vote, but the House of Representatives went with J.Q. Adams as president, the following states let their state legislature select presidential electors: Delaware, Georgia, Louisiana, Maine, New York, South Carolina and Vermont.

As I stated, it wasn’t until after the civil war that all states went to the popular vote.

As for Trump, he’s a has been who doesn’t know it yet, nor does his followers. Apparently a quite a lot of Democrats don't realize that either. Trump will never win another election. Trump is the biggest asset and help the Democrats have going for him. Without Trump, you’d be looking at a red wave election this year instead of minimal losses. If I was a Democrat, I’d be sending Trump a thousand thankyou notes for all the help he’s given to the Democrats this year.

Historical average for 4 presidents excluding Biden since his midterm hasn’t happened yet. Approval average, 39.25% house seats lost 48.5, senate seats lost 6, 4.25 governors lost.

Biden 2022 42% ?????? projected loss of 11-13 house seats, gain of 1 senate seat, a gain of 3-4 governors as of 12 October
Trump 2018 40% lost 44 house seats, 3 senate seats, 6 governors
Obama 2010 42% lost 63 house seats, 6 senate seats, 4 governors
G.W. Bush 2006 33% lost 33 house seats, 6 senate seats, 6 governors
Bill Clinton 1994 42% lost 54 house seats, 9 senate seats, 1 governor

Historically, this midterm makes no sense. But anything involving Trump makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by perotista
As for Trump, he’s a has been who doesn’t know it yet, nor does his followers. Apparently a quite a lot of Democrats don't realize that either. Trump will never win another election.
You don't have to "Win" to end up on top when you have cheaters playing.


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Originally Posted by perotista
As for Trump, he’s a has been who doesn’t know it yet, nor does his followers. Apparently a quite a lot of Democrats don't realize that either. Trump will never win another election.

You could say the same thing about the Strasser Brothers in Germany.
Doesn't change the fact that the NSDAP took over the country anyway.
Trumpers have decided to move on without Trump if need be.
Even the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are ready to throw him under the bus, just so long as they wind up being the ones who drive the bus later.

Your happy happy joy joy dance over Trump is incredibly premature, because Trumpism, properly known as fascism, now exists with or without Trump.


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Originally Posted by perotista
As for Trump, he’s a has been who doesn’t know it yet, nor does his followers. Apparently a quite a lot of Democrats don't realize that either. Trump will never win another election. .

57 insurrectionists are running for office.
Seen anything in your precious polling data about that?


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Originally Posted by perotista
As for Trump, he’s a has been who doesn’t know it yet, nor does his followers. Apparently a quite a lot of Democrats don't realize that either. .
The fact that Trump is still holding rallies and drawing somewhat large crowds begs to differ. smile


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