Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 J6: Putting it all together

So, what's this all about?

In November 2020, after the November 3rd election, Lindsey Graham got on the phone with GOP Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and his deputy Gabriel Sterling, and was just curious if maybe Georgia could throw out ALL THE LEGALLY CAST MAIL-IN VOTES in counties that have higher rates of signature mismatches on ballots.

Per The Atlanta Journal-Constitution over the 4th of July 2022 weekend Rudy Giuliani, Lindsey Graham, and John Eastman received subpoenas to testify in the Fulton County Grand Jury investigation of Trump and his lackeys trying to overturn the results of the Georgia vote in Trump's favor.

Remember all of those "perfect calls?" There's Trump's perfect call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, where he begged Raffensperger to "find" him 11,780 votes so he could win Georgia. There's Trump's perfect call with Frances Watson, the lead investigator in Raffensperger's office, where Trump nudged her like a common mob boss in the direction of the county where Trump wanted them to "find" him all these votes. There's Lindsey Graham's perfect call to Raffensperger not long after the election. There's the very abrupt quit-firing of former US Attorney Byung J. "Bjay" Pak, apparently for his refusal to find Trump some imaginary voter fraud.

According to Raffensperger, Graham asked him, in essence, to "look hard and see how many ballots you could throw out." Lindsey Graham was looking for ways to throw legal ballots in the trash - ballots where voters had chosen Joe Biden.

Lindsey has denied any impropriety, naturally, but he's never been able to explain why he called Brad Raffensperger in the first place, and saying he just wanted to understand how ballot verification works does not pass the smell test. He also has not offered a good explanation for why also called the elections officials in Arizona and Nevada, which just happen to be two more of the states Joe Biden flipped to win the election in a landslide.


At first, Graham's attorneys insisted that Miss Lindsey doesn't have to comply with the subpoena, because Lady G doesn't think Fulton County DA Fani Willis's investigation is legitimate.

Then, Miss Lindsey argued that he was just doing his job as a senator and thus can't be investigated for it under the Speech or Debate clause.

Fulton County Superior Judge Robert McBurney then ordered Graham to knock off the shenanigans and testify, writing that the "court finds that Lindsey Graham is a necessary and material witness" in the grand jury's investigation.

Graham then moved the case to federal court and tried to get the subpoena quashed based on the Speech or Debate clause, arguing that he was just doing his legislative duty to ensure that the ballots were correctly tabulated.

US District Judge Leigh Martin May ordered Graham to get his skinny ass to Atlanta and start talking for the grand jury empaneled by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, and told Lady G that that's now how speech or debate works. (more or less, I'm paraphrasing )

I hope this post has gotten you up to speed of an honest Republican Senator avoiding a subpoena that is simply asking him to be a witness (for now).

Willis should just indict him. There is already adequate evidence to convict him. It would be a good example for others to comply with legitimate subpoenas. He's had his chance to cooperate and maybe get a deal for testimony, and he's effectively turned that down.

Agreed. Lindsey Graham needs to be held accountable for his part in trying to overturn an election. Else what the Republicans try to pull next time will be far worse.

Last night, 60 Minutes interviewed Ex-Congressman Denver Riggleman, who was a supporting Member of the J6 Committee as Senior Technical Advisor. Not only is Riggleman an Ex-Congressman, he's a former ex-military intelligence officer, and ran a data-driven operation pursuing phone records and other digital clues of the J6 attack. Riggleman's Committee job was to analyze text messages and phone records tied to the J6 attack. Analysis shows that the now infamous alternative slate of electors to keep Trump in power, began two days after the November 2020 election in a text message from Don Trump Jr to Mark Meadows. Analysis also shows that Supreme Justice Clarence Thomas' wife, Ginny, was heavily involved in the overturning of the election.

Ginny Thomas agreed last week to talk to the J6 Committee.

I think it is a race, now, between the Jan 6 grand jury, the Georgia grand jury, and the Mar-a-Law-go grand jury to see who indicts first. Of course, Letitia James struck first with the NY lawsuit, but she's only tying up the money. Any dark horses I missed?

Seems like I'm seeing more headlines about the rape trial...

Those sound almost identical to the arguments used in 2016 and guess what happened.

Trump got the documents case before a loyal judge, Cannon, and see what happened. She ruled in his favor on everything to the point of obviously disregarding the law. What would you think would happen in a state where the election board was led by a loyal Trump supporter, one who has publicly stated they would overturn elections if they thought fraud was involved. All Trump has to do is say fraud and they will overturn the election.

So simply saying there are all kinds of reasons why Trump couldn't get elected, I say there are all kinds of reason why even if he loses, he can still win. And it gets worse.

Obviously his opponent would not concede based on an overturned election and would immediately file for expedited hearings from the courts. If they get before a Trump loyalist court, they will rule in Trump's favor, and then it is taken to the supremes. You may think and believe the SC will rule by the law but we have already seen what a Trump court thinks about precedents. I think it's a 50-50 proposition whether they will show fealty or rule by the law. Now if they do rule it is illegal to overturn an election, who will enforce the ruling?

You think or believe a Trump loyalist election board would even think any court not ruling in Trumps favor would be a legitimate court? There is no way of legally enforcing a court order. Oh you think the court will order the arrest of the offender. And who will arrest the election board? Trump loyalist sheriffs?

So despite Trump being not qualified to be a dog catcher, and not actually winning the vote, he still has a chance of winning by having rigged the system in his favor. I know ... can't happen in America

So...what if it happens? Will Trump be President for Life like some African dictator? He'll be 78 in 2024 and 82 when his second term ends (if he chooses to let it end).

The American people of course will no longer have a say in anything...voting will be abolished, elections ended, Armed Republicans will patrol the streets shooting POCs and Democrats on sight.

You and I survived the first four years of Trump and I suspect we'd survive four more.

you missed the point. People survive all kinds of detestable dictators ... you can name them. The point is he may very well destroy the Democracy which was created by the Constitution.

The question would be what would replace it? Permanent Republican dictators? Take a peek at what Gov De Santis has done and expand that to include any one he dislikes either politically or personally, or what about ethnics of any persuasion except white, etc. Should it continue, at what point will you have crossed the line and become an enemy of the state or maybe you will kneel and kiss the ring.

There is DNA on E Jean Carroll's dress from the alleged rape incident at Bergdorf Goodman. Trump claims she isn't "his type." Fine, allow your DNA to be sampled and compared, Donald.