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Now, who's comparing the 2020s to the 1930s?

Did he succeed? And are ALL Republicans in Congress succeeding in what he was trying to do?

Show me some examples...

The 2010 John Roberts SCOTUS pro-dark money decision Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, THE controversial decision that reversed a century-old campaign finance restriction and enabled corporations and other outside groups to spend unlimited funds on elections...because money is "free speech."

Which means some people have a bigger megaphone than others because they have more "free speech" to spend on their message.

It has ever been thus. It did not start with John Roberts nor with Julius Caesar.

And I suspect it will never change. He who has the gold rules!

In essence, I agree. but there are a lot more masses to reach these days and reaching them has become more and more expensive.

When, for one reason or another, you want to donate to a candidate, like your brother-in-law in Podunk. I see no reason it should be written into law that you can't.

When a campaign becomes "of national interest" and I want to send some money to your brother-in-law in Podunk, I still don't see any reason to legislate otherwise.

The real dark money has always been there. Envelopes filled with cash...briefcases...SCOTUS just admitted it existed, and at least made it trackable to some extent.

Speaking of money, if you look at the graph, scroll down a bit, 1960-2016 you’ll see in very presidential election except two, the candidate with the most money to spend won. The exceptions were 1964 and 2016.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/56-y...ding-how-2016_b_5820bf9ce4b0334571e09fc1

For 2020, Biden 1.6 billion to Trump’s 1.1 billion, again the candidate with the most money won.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race

Here’s the midterms spending from 1998-2018

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/10/2018-midterm-record-breaking-5-2-billion/

I understand your point of view Greger. It was just the 2021 Georgia senate runoffs that 90% of all money raised came from out of state. It’s like I said, Georgia’s two senators don’t belong to Georgian’s, they belong to all those out of state non-Georgians who sent them close to a billion dollars. They don’t represent Georgians, they represent those out of staters.

As for money, if you research it, the party with the most incumbents, the party in power usually ends up with the most money. If the Democrats are the party in power and have the most incumbents, they’ll get the most money and vice versa with Republicans. The exception is wave elections where people are angry at the party in power, that situation, money alone can’t save the party in power. Donors know this, so they’ll donate their billions to the party out of power knowing the party out of power is going to win. Still, most huge donors will donate to both parties, that way regardless of who wins, the winner is going to owe them.

Examples Energy in 2020 63% of their donations went to Trump, 37% to Biden, Wall street, finance 73% to Biden, 27% to trump, Lawyers and Lobbyists, 91% to Biden, 9% to Trump. You can see the sector totals here.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/sector-totals?sector=A

You think NONE of the crap we're experiencing has anything to do with Citizens United or the time honored Republican gambit of refusing to concede?
Did he succeed?? How do you define failure?

Did TRUMP succeed in scuttling Biden's transition? Technically "NO" but is it normal to hamstring a transition team to the point where even the GSA head is subjecting the country to added risk by refusing to release monies, resources and computer systems, funds for salaries and administrative support for the monster undertaking of setting up a new government?

Transition officials weren't even allowed to get govt email addresses or office space for well over two months.
That eclipses even Hoover who tried pulling the same stunt on Roosevelt.

Hucking filarious to see you attempting to normalize this crap.

History shows that it's all pretty normal stuff, politics as usual, so to speak. What's odd is that you seem to feel it's all freakishly abnormal and spells the end of civilization as we know it.


Did Trump succeed at staying in office? Also technically "no". Perhaps you'd like to list a few things Trump succeeded at? Or explain to me how his many many failures translate into successes in your alternate world?

Silly me, I guess I am in the minority when I daresay that partisan politics has no place in the Secret Service, FBI, DoD or SCOTUS. What the MAGAts have succeeded at is staying out of prison.
No no no not the ordinary peasant MAGAts, the elites.
And that's what Trump HAS succeeded at and will succeed at.

If this was the 1930's I guess you'd be one of the folks calling "The Business Plot" just normal politics.
Perhaps if the folks behind that had been hung we wouldn't have had to endure January 6th.
Folks back then would have learned not to mount insurrections aimed at overthrowing the government.

Did I use the word civilization? Nope, but I will use the word democracy, even though that apparently doesn't hold much value in your world.
Trump has succeeded at turning us into an increasingly violent and self-destructive quasi-fascist theocracy with better strip malls.

You must like this guy. With Fetterman it isn’t a case of stances on issues that causes me to like him. It is Fetterman himself, the individual, the person, the man. There’s a certain few politicians or candidates because of the person they are overrides their politics, where they stand on the issues. Politics and stances become totally irrelevant. I like this guy, if I were living in PA, he’d get my vote. This is just another reason why I like him.

Fetterman campaign to Dem super PAC: Drop dead

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fetterman-camp-goes-dem-super-202144190.html