Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 J6: Putting it all together

Clearly you have failed to comprehend anything I have typed.

So let's start with the definition from Cambridge: "showing poor judgment or little intelligence". The first thing you should notice is there is no reference to politics. Ignorance. Read my signature .... ignorance is the enemy. Yes people have a choice. They can remain ignorant i.e. show poor judgment, and therefore be stupid or they can educate themselves and elevate themselves from ignorance. Again notice nothing about my beliefs or politics.

So my stand by worn out claim is 60% of the electorate is stupid. Notice 60% is a far larger number than Trump's 30% - 45%, so it is not about who agrees with me, but who chooses to remain ignorant. Ignorance has no boundaries. It infects peoples of all criteria. It is democratic in that respect.

The second thing to note is people say things out of their ignorance. These folks are stupid. First for remaining ignorant and second for saying anything based on their ignorance.

Why do you never look at the crosstabs on the polling??? It's always the single bottom line result. It not worth anything unless you analyze the crosstabs. 70% of both D's and R's think the country is going in the wrong direction. How could that possibly be? Unless you look at the crosstabs and learn the reason are different for both groups. It's like the result 25% of each party thinks the other is destroying America. You think that is partisan whining. I say look at the reasons and learn Republicans think it's about policies, while Democrats think it's about actual destruction of Democratic institutions. We can disagree about policies but we can't disagree about the institutions upon which Democracy is founded.

You can stick your head in the sand and hope everything will be fine, or ensure Democracy is saved. You apparently believe this is all about policies. Nothing can be further from the truth. We are in a death match for the continuance of Democracy. Trumpists are banning books, burning books, writing legislation to disenfranchise people's rights, to disenfranchise voters, to stack election boards with people who are willing to ensure only Trumpists win elections, to call into question every democratic institution as unfaithful to Trump and therefore must be changed, etc.

While it may be true and valid there will be gridlock as never before seen in Washington, the real battle is in the states. If a significant number of states becomes more Trumpist, you can be assured only Trump loyalist Republicans can ever be elected or outright steal an election. The courts will become safe havens for Trump loyalists, morality police will become the norm, the FBI will be stacked with Trump loyalist who will be hell bent on revenge, etc. POlicy issues???? So should you type .... I never thought it could happen in America (how many times you gonna type that) .... remember you had a chance to analyze the events

Let me paraphrase .... the party in power always wants to pass into law their agenda. For the party in power to govern, they must compromise.

Newt Gingrich said it best ... frak the dems .... it's my way or no way

And after that, no Democrats were ever elected again...!

And I've heard here and elsewhere that what really needs to happen is that the Reeps need to get frakked...it's the Democrat way or no way!

And as it turns out, I agree with the latter. Implementing that plan has proven to be problematic since roughly half of America disagrees with me, the stupid ones that is...smart people almost always agree with me.

I think you have misinterpreted what people are saying. I think what people are saying is, whoever is in power, compromise, to govern for ALL people.

Democrats in recent years have demonstrated their willingness to compromise on many occasions on major legislation. Republicans apparently are unwilling to listen to any Democrat ideas.

I only speak for myself, so I don't care if anyone agrees with me. But I do like to expose ignorance .... hoping it is the 2x4 which opens people up to at least consider getting educated.

Rs don’t listen to Ds because the Ds proposals have nothing to do with or promote total R dominance - which us what the Rs want.

Here you go rporter314:

The 18% who think leaders should stick to their principles is a new low
28% take a neutral position on the issue
44% of Republicans and 62% of Democrats favor compromise

https://news.gallup.com/poll/220265/americans-favor-compromise-things-done-washington.aspx

There’s no doubt democrats have been more willing to compromise than Republicans. But compromise is what the people are looking for. Especially independents. They want the two major parties to work together, when they don’t, they kick out the party in power and replace them in hopes that the former out of power party will try to compromise. It never works out that way.

Now think back, what if both parties had different leaders who were willing to compromise. You’d have a deal like Daschle and Lott came up for a previous 50-50 divided senate. Not where one party tries to push their entire agenda through by the vote of the VP. Something like this is what should have happened this time around. It might of if we hadn’t entered today’s modern political era of polarization, the great divide along with the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship.

https://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/05/senate.powershare/index.html

I don't want either of those options.
I don't WANT people to "frak" the system and I don't want the system frakking me.
I'd be happy to even go back to where the two parties played the cat and dog fights all day long for the cameras and then went in the back room with the whisky and cigars to hammer out a deal with each other.

The trial of the Oath Keepers is showing how the Oath Keepers, The Proud Boys, Trump’s Secret Service team, and Roger Stone back at the Willard hotel - the J6 command center - all communicated on J6 on Signal - an untraceable private message phone app. THAT is why the Secret Service phones were erased back to factory settings to rid the phones of the Signal application. The FBI has seized phones from other J6 participants like head Oath Keeper Stuart Rhodes who still had Signal in their phones that showed a chat group called FoS (Friends of Roger Stone) that included Roger Stone, Stewart Rhodes, Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarro, Trump’s Secret Service team head Anthony Ornato, and Alex Jones - yes THAT Alex Jones.

The J6 Committee has subpoenaed Trump to speak to them. The Subpoena requires Trump to turn over all Signal communications by November 4, 2022 and to speak to the Committee on or around November 14, 2022.

The subpoena mentions Signal at least 13 times - which strongly suggests that Trump was in direct communication with some of the coup plotters via the mobile app.

The Trump associates named in the subpoena include:

• Roger Stone
• Steve Bannon
• Mike Flynn
• Jeffrey Clark
• Sydney Powell
• Boris Epshteyn
• Christina Bobb
• John Eastman
• Rudy Guiliani
• Jenna Ellis
• Cleta Mitchell
• Patrick Bynre

The subpoena even asks him for communications involving the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, “or any other similar militia group or its members” from September 1, 2020 to the present.

Don't hold your breath...