Originally Posted by perotista
That depends on what independents want done.

That doesn't answer any questions.
If I had a dime for every instance of you patiently explaining that "independents don't like either party" and another dime for every time you call folks partisans, I'd be rich beyond the dreams of avarice.
In other words, WE KNOW this, but it's empty proselytizing with a broad brush chaser.

I'm not quite what you'd call a partisan.
I almost voted for McCain back in 2008 because I hadn't been paying much attention to anything but work back then and the black guy I knew nothing about with a name vaguely reminiscent of folks who crashed into the WTC struck my anemic knowledge base as a sure loser.
---NOBODY in their right mind would vote for a guy named "Hussein" in post 9/11 America or so I thought.
Sarah Palin's mindless babbling steered me away from McCain.
I almost decided to just stay home.

What DO independents want done?
No one knows because they want it done by PFM, "pure ****ing magic".
They want things done by a divided Congress half of whom were inspired by Newt Gingrich's bomb throwing war on lawmaking disguised as a "Contract for America".
They want things done by a wave of a magic wand.
Some of them want things done by royal decree, it seems.

In a legislative environment dominated by think tanks and lobby groups, SuperPACs and dark money donors, the only things that get done are those things that please the money people, who are more than happy to craft a narrative that blames everyone else, like Democrats, for instance, for important stuff NOT getting done for the American people.

Frank Luntz still has a job, you know.
But Luntz doesn't harbor any illusions about independents being some precious magical group of people.
He's just in it for the money.


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