Jeffrey, I never said Trump, nor his supporters were conservatives as I know conservatives to be. That isn’t to say that they. Trump and his supporters don’t consider themselves conservatives. They do. Almost all Democrats refer to them as conservatives. I said this many times, here and on the other site that the 7-time party switcher adopted the political philosophy of the party he belonged to at the time. Trump doesn’t have a political ideology of his own. That Trump is the true RINO. I consider myself more of a traditional conservative which has a lot in common with the classic liberal beliefs of our founding fatjers and framers. I’m way out of step with today’s neo, social, religious or any other type of conservatism. I also am out of step with today’s liberals and progressives. I fall through the crack. No political party to call home as is the case with 40% plus of the electorate who identify as independents. There’s nothing to be sorry about.

I do think Greger was a hard core progressive/socialist, but a political realist at the same time. I also think most on this site are way too crazy about Trump. I ignore most if not all of those posts. I voted for McCain. He was my type of candidate, more middle of the road and very willing to work across the aisle. This type of candidate is what I’m looking for. Not ideologues. I’m not an ideologue, never have been and never will be. Think about voting for a Republican is one thing, doing so is another. I’ve voted for both plus a bunch of third-party candidates in my lifetime, Third party when I dislike and distrust both major party candidates. Party means nothing to me. Usually, in any election I voted for all three depending on the candidates, I’m a A number one ticket splitter. One of the 5 million ticket splitters this year who voted against Trump endorsed chosen Republican candidates and then for non-Trump Republican candidates. R Kemp for governor, L Chase Oliver for Senate, D David Scott for congress and so on down the ballot.

You can consider me shot down, no problem. We all have our own likes and dislikes, what we believe in, what we think and feel. The important thing in my book is to respect those of different views and opinions. I also agree, no one is going to change anyone’s mind on a debate site. Outside of the fixation with Trump, I think we have more in common than not.

It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.