Originally Posted by chunkstyle
So no sourcing for the wild and irrational claims of Russia (scuse me, Putey Poo) blowing up its own very expensive to build pipeline?

Whadasaprize..

Frankly, your reverse metaphors of the current reality are boring. The European price cap is more akin to you going down to your local gas hole and telling em how much your going to pay them for their gas going forward. Lemme know how that works out. Buy comfortable walking shoes is my advice.

Couldn’t not expend NATO up to Russia’s borders. Couldn’t negotiate a security framework with Russia. Couldn’t agree to allowing Ukraine into Europe but not into NATO. Wouldn’t listen to our own distinguished statesman warning us this is where we were headed.

What’s the Ukraine body count up to now Jeff?

Russia’s a country with its own security interests. You doing McCain now and calling it a gas station won’t change that. Kinda bigoted to boot. You do realize there’s far more hard liners in Russia government than Putin, a moderate in comparison and the millions of Russians have opinion and agency? Kinda like the ethnic Russians living in Donbass that you’ve argued aren’t legitimate with your Holdomor railings? You comically making this all about your Blueanon Lex Luther is telling.


LOL @ "MY" Holodomor railings. ROTFMOL
Yeah Lord knows I'm the only guy on the planet that talks about Holodomor.

I guarantee you one thing...when Ukraine finally winds up being Afghanistan II and Russia withdraws in ignomy you better believe they're going to seriously consider NATO membership if for no other reason than there was a promise of security known as the Budapest Memorandum, but Pooty now sez "Look, it was a different time and a different country then so the Big BM doesn't count anymore."

I daresay it doesn't look real good for nonproliferation if you have a country that disarms and then becomes a target of such a threat and a victim of such a threat at the hands of a nuclear-armed country.

So while you're whinging about how Ukraine doesn't deserve to have its agreements honored because .... what was it, Stepan Bandera, let's not forget that there is some degree of regret in giving up nukes for a piece of paper that turned out worthless.

And worthless is exactly what any promise to not join NATO is now as well.
NATO was created to stop Russian encroachment into Europe.
The invasion of Ukraine is Russian encroachment into Europe and the West knows where that leads already because we saw it happen years before you were born.

The free world simply can't afford for Ukraine to fall.
I realize you harbor some hostility toward that.
I just wonder why you live in the West at all, seems contrary to your allegiances.

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