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What do you care? You're of the opinion that Ukraine has no right to exist as a European democracy but instead as a .... what was the term? Oh yeah, as a VASSAL STATE of the Russian Empire.
I imagine you're overjoyed every time you hear of a smashed Ukrainian city or a Ukrainian military casualty.
Look, you clearly believe Putin's a good guy and that Ukrainians are Nazis and don't have a right to exist and it's obvious nothing will change your mind.

There's really no point in me continuing to watch you repeatedly flog your talking points.

Once again I’ll ask, in vain, where I said I thought Ukraine should not exist, Putin’s a good guy or Ukraine should be a vassal state of the Russian empire?

I would only say you are one of many here that’s cheerleaded this conflict, pushed propaganda and have never really made the case for why the US government should have refused negotiation for state violence. For what reasons I can’t imagine. Certainly our record of state violence has gone unmatched since the end of WW2.

It has served as a distraction for discussing the deeper conflicts that may be fueling this war so there’s that. Squirt squirt.

What else about all your hostility toward Ukraine's sovereignty can it be interpreted as?
There is no alternate explanation for your dismissal of Ukraine's legitimacy because you're only interested in protecting Russia.


Here let me help you with that: Ukraine isn't Russia, Ukraine wants to be a European democracy, Ukraine has never forgiven Russia for its past abuses of Ukrainian people and Russia has no intention of allowing Ukraine to exist except AS a vassal state of Greater Russia. Hope that helps, but I know you'll just go back to asking about OUR war crimes because you think you're well trained in the Russian tactic of "whataboutism".


The deeper conflict of democracy = good, fascism and authoritarianism = bad.
Quick Chunky, go dig around in that accelerationist history book of yours so you can dig up even more whataboutisms! I know you will, because you can't help yourself.
Here's another pro tip! Keep making this ABOUT ME, Jeff Haas! That always works, doesn't it?

The unrelenting truth in all of this is that even if Russia manages to defeat Ukraine, they will have lost support from the rest of the world and will face a future of unrelenting rebellion over a pyrrhic victory that costs more and leaves them as even more of a "gas station masquerading as a country" than ever before.
Nobody will ever agree that Ukraine is part of Russia.
Russia might as well trade places with North Korea as the top pariah state.

And in the end, when the world finally DOES develop a more mature and more sustainable energy portfolio that lessens our dependence on petroleum, Russia will find itself with a depleted financial future, a population heading for the exits, an unprecedented brain drain and no options for the future. That's what happens WHEN you use your only developed resource as a means of taking hostages.

My money is on democracy, yours is with Putin.
Have at it.

Oh I'm sorry, you never actually SAID Putin's a good guy, so it's obvious that you don't love Putin, you love Paul Manafort and HIS buddy Victor Yanukovitch.

Aww c’mon Jeff. You always make a topic about you. The challenge for anyone disagreeing with you is talking past your ‘emotional’ contributions and the personal smears you like to traffic in.

I would disagree with your McCain smears of Russia being simply a gas station. It’s a juvenile look at a country as large and varied as Russia.

For me, neocons are phony with their liberal interventionist excuses wether they chose to use identity (that leader hates gay people!) or misogyny (they’re raping women!) or environmental issues (this is good cuz we’ll get off gas!). None of that propaganda contortion stands up to scrutiny. Especially when you look at neocon track record. A quick look their past military adventurism and the results to those on the receiving end, compared to their previous conditions before neocon interference, leaves no evidence to support initial claims for the necessity of neocon driven state sponsored violence.

I think current estimates are over 100k Ukranians killed. 2-3x incapacitated. The ratio in March was 5-1 against Ukraine. Latest credible estimates are now 10-1 against Ukraine as they’re professional troops have been used up and are burning thru conscripts.

I still don’t see how this doesn’t end in thousands of lives needlessly lost, another wasted region dominated by misery and destruction with the usual liberal interventionists and they’re neocon fellow travelers having authored it while simultaneously denying responsibility for the current state.

Notice the big mouthed war cheerleaders aren’t talking about Iraq, Libya, or Afghanistan anymore? Wonder where that crowd is now…

Well I guess Emmanuel Macron is suddenly part of the Blueanon "liberal interventionists and they’re [sic] neocon fellow travelers" apparatus now.

“we need to become brothers in arms once more.”

(Reuters) - Ukraine's armed forces have lost somewhere between 10,000 and 13,000 soldiers so far in the war against Russia, presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak told a Ukrainian television network on Thursday.

Last month America's top general estimated that Russia's military had seen more than 100,000 of its soldiers killed and wounded in Ukraine, and added Kyiv's armed forces "probably" suffered a similar level of casualties.

---Seems like there's an information gap somewhere.

https://nordot.app/971154066269831168?c=592622757532812385

“ Seems like there's an information gap somewhere.”

Ahhhh…. There it is. Poifect!

As though there has never been an ‘information gap’ in the preceding decades of US military intervention that should inform or guide.

As though those ‘information gaps’ have not been brought up in past and present comments in this very thread. ‘Yellow cake’, ‘freedom fighters’, mobile bioweapons labs, greeted as liberators, flowering of democracies, another surge and we’ll really get things turned around and under control, etc, etc, etc.,,

You push propaganda as your default. Willingly or unknowingly makes little difference, I suppose. It’s your confessed stock and trade. Your past livelihood.(not getting personal, simply bringing up your posting about your work)

You should read the foreign press (by foreign I mean outside the Anglosphere). Then the picture becomes a bit more complicated.

On the other hand, stick with your default. There’s never been a downside for lying to the American public about foreign wars of choice that I can recall. No American has been tried for the countless ways crimes or genocide our country has authored or supported.


No Jeff, your probably right. This must be the one military confrontation that your government is telling the truth. This must surely be just as it’s described, all current and past history to the contrary. The walls are closing in on Putin. The Russian economy is crumbling. Victory is just over the hill and there’s no need to worry about all that weaponry flowing in to what’s been recognized as the most corrupt state in Europe. Before March that is.

Sheesh…
Who coulda known….



Putey propagandists from eight years ago!!!

Who coulda known what?