Originally Posted by chunkstyle
Once again I’ll ask, in vain, where I said I thought Ukraine should not exist, Putin’s a good guy or Ukraine should be a vassal state of the Russian empire?

What else about all your hostility toward Ukraine's sovereignty can it be interpreted as?
There is no alternate explanation for your dismissal of Ukraine's legitimacy because you're only interested in protecting Russia.

Originally Posted by chunkstyle
I would only say you are one of many here that’s cheerleaded this conflict, pushed propaganda and have never really made the case for why the US government should have refused negotiation for state violence. For what reasons I can’t imagine. Certainly our record of state violence has gone unmatched since the end of WW2.

Here let me help you with that: Ukraine isn't Russia, Ukraine wants to be a European democracy, Ukraine has never forgiven Russia for its past abuses of Ukrainian people and Russia has no intention of allowing Ukraine to exist except AS a vassal state of Greater Russia. Hope that helps, but I know you'll just go back to asking about OUR war crimes because you think you're well trained in the Russian tactic of "whataboutism".

Originally Posted by chunkstyle
It has served as a distraction for discussing the deeper conflicts that may be fueling this war so there’s that. Squirt squirt.

The deeper conflict of democracy = good, fascism and authoritarianism = bad.
Quick Chunky, go dig around in that accelerationist history book of yours so you can dig up even more whataboutisms! I know you will, because you can't help yourself.
Here's another pro tip! Keep making this ABOUT ME, Jeff Haas! That always works, doesn't it?

The unrelenting truth in all of this is that even if Russia manages to defeat Ukraine, they will have lost support from the rest of the world and will face a future of unrelenting rebellion over a pyrrhic victory that costs more and leaves them as even more of a "gas station masquerading as a country" than ever before.
Nobody will ever agree that Ukraine is part of Russia.
Russia might as well trade places with North Korea as the top pariah state.

And in the end, when the world finally DOES develop a more mature and more sustainable energy portfolio that lessens our dependence on petroleum, Russia will find itself with a depleted financial future, a population heading for the exits, an unprecedented brain drain and no options for the future. That's what happens WHEN you use your only developed resource as a means of taking hostages.

My money is on democracy, yours is with Putin.
Have at it.

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