Aww c’mon Jeff. You always make a topic about you. The challenge for anyone disagreeing with you is talking past your ‘emotional’ contributions and the personal smears you like to traffic in.

I would disagree with your McCain smears of Russia being simply a gas station. It’s a juvenile look at a country as large and varied as Russia.

For me, neocons are phony with their liberal interventionist excuses wether they chose to use identity (that leader hates gay people!) or misogyny (they’re raping women!) or environmental issues (this is good cuz we’ll get off gas!). None of that propaganda contortion stands up to scrutiny. Especially when you look at neocon track record. A quick look their past military adventurism and the results to those on the receiving end, compared to their previous conditions before neocon interference, leaves no evidence to support initial claims for the necessity of neocon driven state sponsored violence.

I think current estimates are over 100k Ukranians killed. 2-3x incapacitated. The ratio in March was 5-1 against Ukraine. Latest credible estimates are now 10-1 against Ukraine as they’re professional troops have been used up and are burning thru conscripts.

I still don’t see how this doesn’t end in thousands of lives needlessly lost, another wasted region dominated by misery and destruction with the usual liberal interventionists and they’re neocon fellow travelers having authored it while simultaneously denying responsibility for the current state.

Notice the big mouthed war cheerleaders aren’t talking about Iraq, Libya, or Afghanistan anymore? Wonder where that crowd is now…

Last edited by chunkstyle; 12/01/22 02:40 PM.