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One source is General Mark Milley, the other a Ukrainian official.
Milley's the one who believed that Ukraine had lost a hundred thousand.
Explain how that jives with your assertion that the government is sugar coating the numbers on Ukr losses.

Captured documents reveal Russia's plan to annex Ukraine in ten days and kill its leaders

Russia planned to seize Ukraine within ten days and kill its leaders, according to new documents apparently signed off by Vladimir Putin.

They planned to go door to door to "interview" all Ukraine citizens. To put them into one of four categories:
1. Those who should be killed.
2. Those in need of suppression and intimidation.
3. Those who are neutral and who should be encouraged to collaborate.
4. Those prepared to collaborate.

People would be processed through filtration camps.
Russia planned to "reeducate" Ukrainians by importing teachers and other officials from Russia.

---But we should feel compassion for the poor put upon Vladimir Putin who was FORCED to go this route because the evil liberal neocon United States left him with no choice.

Sure...

Wow! MSN is reporting on a ‘story’ from a British defense industry think tank on ‘Putin’s Plan’

After all that ‘walls closing in’, ‘shoes are about to drop’ years of hysteric level posting you’d think it would give those guilty of promoting propaganda pause to engage in it. Less yer a freelancer, I suppose.

Cripes… Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies.. gimme a break. MSN no less.

Where’d the RUSI frat boys find those secret documents Jeff? Next to a treasure map showing where the pee tapes are buried or the aluminum tubes were stored?

Milley appears to be conflating some truth with some fiction. I believe he’s correct when he mentioned over 100k Ukrainian soldiers are dead. He’s saying a similar amount of Russian soldiers dead. Doubtful but to say less Russian soldiers dying comes close to saying Ukraines losing and, well, we can’t say that as we always back fascist. Not that we’re fascist. Just saying we always back em. There’s a difference right?

The slap down of von der Lyon mentioning the same Ukraine killed number was hilarious though. Watching her Twitter account edit her 100k kia number out of her speech clip was funny.

“ Ursula von der Leyen used the number in a video address, prompting Kyiv's armed forces to state that the death toll was "classified information." Footage of her speech has since been edited to cut the reference.”

Ukraine Anger Over Von Der Leyen's Unverified '100,000 Dead Soldiers' Claim

Gosh, I wonder what the real number is?… Milleys, von der Lyons revised number or the Ukraine regimes?

Hah! Trick question. The Regime won’t allow publishing numbers. Just like opposition political parties, non aligned press, Russian language, Soviet war memorials or any mention of the Galician massacre, etc, etc…

Ah…
Here tis.
Official Regime estimate:

‘ Dec 1 (Reuters) - Ukraine's armed forces have lost somewhere between 10,000 and 13,000 soldiers so far in the war against Russia, presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak told a Ukrainian television network on Thursday.’

Ukraine has lost between 10,000 and 13,000 soldiers in war - official

What on earth is Milley going on about Jeff? This is OFFICIAL! And it’s Reuters. Reuters is not gunna knowingly pass on disinformation, right? Hey, this is the corporate owned media we’re talking about.

Reuters is nonprofit.
Did you know this?

AP and Reuters are nonprofit.

You realize think tanks are non-profits.
You know that, right?

Both AP and think tanks get funded by for-profits. You know that right?

You think AP is going to sell a story that corporate owned media won’t run?

NFP’s and NGO’s are problematic, but that’s another topic for another thread.

I’ll see your non-profit and raise you a Hunter Biden laptop/ Ukraine money laundering/Nazi corruption news story that was not non profitly covered but self censored instead. Why do you suppose that was? What happened there Jeff? That’s a pretty big meatball that the non profits didn’t cover. Endless months/years of pee tapes and dossiers but not a single story (except the NY Post) of the Biden family corruption?

Ok, I’ll take some of that back. The press was covering the fascist political problems of Eastern Europe and Ukraine specifically for years prior to March of this year. Heck, even BFF Poland was generating Liberal ‘harrumphs!’for its legal system and treatment of gays. Then, ‘hey presto!’, no more fascist problems. S’all Putin propaganda now…

Where have I heard that record played before..,

So Jeff, what number are you going to go with? Milleys, the Ukraine regimes or von der Lyons? What have the non profits reported on that the very for profit news media should run with? Break out them elite battalions of fact checkers trained in the art of hand to hand fact checking.

Your search - "Associated Press funded by for profits" - did not match any documents.

Maybe you could flesh out that claim a little.
The Associated Press sells subscriptions to its service to thousands of radio, newspaper and TV stations.

The discounted price for an AP Newsroom feed is $350 per AP story (or part thereof) to be reused and this gives 24 hours' news use on the platforms, media outlets and within the territories as defined in your subscription agreement with AP. Non-AP subscribers pay $850 per story for the same rights.

If you're a large news outlet like a cable news channel and you want an all-you-can eat monthly license it starts at around a thousand dollars per month but it is based partly on your audience size or, in the case of newspapers, your active subscriber count.
Some small town papers can get an AP sub for as little as 85 bucks a month for a text only sub with no online rights.

Reuters has a 45% ownership stake in Refinitiv, which is a British-American financial market data source.
It too charges a membership fee for story rights.

Maybe you could hint at which specific think tanks or for profit outfits own or control these agencies.

I believe I did with:

“Both AP and think tanks get funded by for-profits. You know that right?

You think AP is going to sell a story that corporate owned media won’t run?”

Which is a shorthand version of your:

“ The Associated Press sells subscriptions to its service to thousands of radio, newspaper and TV stations.”- cept I would add ‘for profit’ radio, newspaper and TV stations“

Or is there another funding mechanism that isn’t reliant on our for profit corporate consolidated media? Does having NGO or NFP infer something about the veracity of the claims Reuters turns out?


Not even sure why this scatological hair splitting is important to you.


I did notice you didn’t answer the question over whose number is accurate for Ukrainian KIA.

Milleys ‘about 100k’, von der Lyons ‘over 100k’ revised down to 100k for both KIA and injured or the Ukraine regimes 10-13k KIA total?

Because someone’s got it real wrong here and you have to wonder why?

Or not and pretend it’s about wire services being not for profitably independant of their for profit corporate media subscribers like ratings agencies were independent of brokerage co.‘a mortgage investment instruments.

Anyhow,

More importantly than Jeff’s quibbling over business structuring of propaganda mills is the passing of oil sanctions by the EU.

This should unfold like a wrapped turd. Europe’s fleets go go juice is heavily tilted in favor of diesel. They based that decision on cheap Russian oil which is particularly good for diesel refining.

So just to re-cap, ruling political classes in Europe, having done much harm to their economy by cutting themselves off from low cost NG, figure it’s going to go as well cutting themselves off from cheap go go juice they built their transport fleet around. All at the same time as a major refugee crises is about to unfold. Should help boost far right political parties in the coming election cycles.

I remember back in the early 90’s, a work hostel in Germany was burned to the ground from far right reactionaries. It was full of guest workers from Turkey and the german economy was suffering under reunification. One can only wonder how an influx of millions of refugees from 404 will impact the current shifting political currents already under way in Europe.

So far, there’s never been a price to pay for our own political class failures. It may be different in the EU. We’ll see.