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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
This subject has been covered by serious scholars and diplomats, which I have linked to. It is a problem, especially politically, and one which the US has supported.

Nobody in their right mind disputes it being a problem.
But with you, it seems perfect is the enemy of good all except for Putin, because he's perfect, at least in your mind, much more perfect than those Nazi Ukrainians.


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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
Perhaps you could point to your claim that ‘ the one that claims that Ukraine is a neo-nazi nation filled to the brim with neo-nazi people.’

s***, that's your entire raison d'etre...Putin is right to invade Ukraine because: Evil USA is threatening his security with Nazi Ukrainian hordes because Stepan Bandera because squirt because Russia only wanted to feel safe, because A=A=A etc.

Don't piss on my leg and say it's raining.


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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
I think you minimizing a very real problem which will have the potential to spill into its neighboring states as conditions worsen for Ukraine.

I think you minimizing...nay...DISMISSING ENTIRELY, the historical event known as the Iron Curtain signals an allegiance to Putin.

Mumble mumble "neighboring states" which will soon cease to be states entirely.


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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
But again, makes no difference how we feel about it. Material conditions will present themselves, as always, it’s the media’s job to control the narrative surrounding those conditions.

Minimizing, obfuscation and omission are popular tools for this. Why one could call it propaganda even.

It's hilarious that you think I'm part of the media.
I edited MTV videos, low budget features, corporate communications and commercials.

Keep it up with the doxxing though, it's like you just discovered your penis and you're fourteen years old.


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Ok Jeff. Your right about whatever it is your talking about. At least your not going on about Holdomor, I guess.


Meanwhile from the business news, which has a greater demand to be reality based as money’s at stake:


The sidelining of U.S. shale means consumers around the world may face a winter of higher fuel prices. Russia has threatened to block oil sales to countries supporting a European Union price cap, and the United States is winding down releases from emergency oil stockpiles that helped cool energy inflation.
U.S. shale production costs are soaring and there is no sign that tight-fisted investors will change their demands for returns rather than investment in expanding drilling.’

Energy hungry Europe can’t look to U.S. shale to fill any OPEC gap

The Shale industry always appeared to be similar to our war market plays. More or less a Ponzi scheme that was never able to deliver on its claims fir potential profitability just over the next hill. It follows similar patterns of war salesmanship. Greeted as Liberators, democracy flowering in the desert, girls going to schools again, etc. the real play seems to have been moving merchandise and getting lucrative DOD contracts.

Europeans are in for a rude awakening, I’m afraid, in the coming cold months with regard to America’s LNG supply assurances.

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By the way Chunks, not one iota of this changes the fact that, if Russia really does finish off Ukraine as a sovereign state, which IS their PLAN, they will be a pariah nation dismissed by the entire Western world, even Germany, because in the end the one thing Europeans remember most is that when the USSR was finished with their "defense and security" in 1961, half of Germany suddenly went missing.

"Hey dude, what happened to the other half of your country?"

In the end, if Russia finishes off Ukraine, it is Russia that gets the pyrrhic victory.
And if you think that the democratic countries of the West, IMPERFECT as they may be, are going to be okay with that, just say so.

If you do NOT believe Russia's aim is to recreate another Iron Curtain, back up your claim.
All the fumfing and blathering about Ukraine's neo-nazi fringe groups is not a justification for Putin's attempt to reduce Ukraine to Aleppo.


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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
Ok Jeff. Your right about whatever it is your talking about. At least your not going on about Holdomor, I guess.


Meanwhile from the business news, which has a greater demand to be reality based as money’s at stake:


The sidelining of U.S. shale means consumers around the world may face a winter of higher fuel prices.

Uh ohhhh, it's the Chunky "Baby It's Cold Out There!" argument that demands EU bow to Putin argument again.



You know, when Ray exited his old band after being cheated on his pay, "Fathead" (his top horn player) tried to warn the young blind Ray Robinson "You sure you wanna go Ray, baby it's cold out there!"


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Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
Originally Posted by chunkstyle
But again, makes no difference how we feel about it. Material conditions will present themselves, as always, it’s the media’s job to control the narrative surrounding those conditions.

Minimizing, obfuscation and omission are popular tools for this. Why one could call it propaganda even.

It's hilarious that you think I'm part of the media.
I edited MTV videos, low budget features, corporate communications and commercials.

Keep it up with the doxxing though, it's like you just discovered your penis and you're fourteen years old.

Uhhhh… I think you’ve always posted about your career in media. Some personal photos too, IIRC.

I don’t have a clue what you’ve worked on cept your IMDb entry which is public, btw. Whatever projects you’ve been involved in I wouldn’t claim to know and don’t recall ever saying I did. Cept I thought you said, at one time, were a grip guy..

Take it up with IMDb if you want. They have you down as a camera man. Sheesh. Did they get it wrong?

I’m not sure you understand what doxxing is cuz this ain’t it.

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Merely pointing out the assurance our government gave the EU was an empty one. A bad habit for diplomacy, imo.

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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
Uhhhh… I think you’ve always posted about your career in media. Some personal photos too, IIRC.

I see, so because I made a couple of mentions OUTSIDE of this Ukraine thread, you had no choice.
I MADE you post a half dozen times about it.

Originally Posted by chunkstyle
I don’t have a clue what you’ve worked on cept your IMDb entry which is public, btw. Whatever projects you’ve been involved in I wouldn’t claim to know and don’t recall ever saying I did. Cept I thought you said, at one time, were a grip guy..

Take it up with IMDb if you want. They have you down as a camera man. Sheesh. Did they get it wrong?

I’m not sure you understand what doxxing is cuz this ain’t it.

Here's a clue, none of it has anything to do with Ukraine.
It's just another Chunky attempt at dodging and deflecting, together with massive gish galloping, whataboutisms and a general acceptance that Ukraine has no right to exist as a sovereign state, because: NEO NAZIS IN THE ARMY!

How MANY neo-nazis are there again? Is it ten percent, five percent, twenty percent, or the entire Ukrainian Army and combined armed forces, law enforcement and the entire population of the country...errr...soviet satellite state?


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