By the way Chunks, not one iota of this changes the fact that, if Russia really does finish off Ukraine as a sovereign state, which IS their PLAN, they will be a pariah nation dismissed by the entire Western world, even Germany, because in the end the one thing Europeans remember most is that when the USSR was finished with their "defense and security" in 1961, half of Germany suddenly went missing.

"Hey dude, what happened to the other half of your country?"

In the end, if Russia finishes off Ukraine, it is Russia that gets the pyrrhic victory.
And if you think that the democratic countries of the West, IMPERFECT as they may be, are going to be okay with that, just say so.

If you do NOT believe Russia's aim is to recreate another Iron Curtain, back up your claim.
All the fumfing and blathering about Ukraine's neo-nazi fringe groups is not a justification for Putin's attempt to reduce Ukraine to Aleppo.

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