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The Hill 2017:

‘ As the Trump administration mulls sending weapons to Ukraine, the question of far-right forces employed by the Kiev government has returned to the forefront. Some Western observers claim that there are no neo-Nazi elements in Ukraine, chalking the assertion up to propaganda from Moscow. Unfortunately, they are sadly mistaken.
There are indeed neo-Nazi formations in Ukraine. This has been overwhelmingly confirmed by nearly every major Western outlet. The fact that analysts are able to dismiss it as propaganda disseminated by Moscow is profoundly disturbing. It is especially disturbing given the current surge of neo-Nazis and white supremacists across the globe.’

The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda

Real easy to do…

While you might try and ridicule and insult others knowledge of a given topic, I have to wonder, why’s Jeff being so obtuse on a widely acknowledged, written and reported about issue of the rise of far right parties and paramilitaries in Ukraine?

Gosh, I wonder who’s been giving such organizations training?

Who’s been shelling ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine for eight years?

Hah! Trick question. I asked knowing you don’t answer awkward or inconvenient questions.

Squirt squirt

The Crimea vote.
I didn't miss it, I asked to make sure we're both talking about the same thing.
By the way, I guess YOU missed HOW Russians go about conducting those "referendums".

Wow, sounds like even Democracy Now! is the corporate media, Chunks!
OMG Bellingcat, too!

Do what? Draw from stuff that happened 4, 5, 8 years ago? Filibuster? Gish gallop?
Here's what you also do, pitch a fit and split the scene for three months when you finally realize that people are on to you.
You've only been back for a month since your last vacay.

Russia invaded Ukraine in February of this year...on the pretext of a "special military operation to denazify the country."
I'll wait for your estimates on the percentage of nazis in the Ukrainian Army, meanwhile I am mindful that you strenuously objected when I suggested that you think all Ukrainians are Nazis.
I guess it's just the entire Ukrainian Army, something about signing up to fight Russia turns them INTO Nazis, every last one of them, right?

What Nazis Jeff? I don’t know what your on about.

Meanwhile, Scott Ritters latest piece is a good take on Merkels recent comments giving the game away:

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While the so-called “collective west” (the U.S., NATO, the E.U. and the G7) continue to claim that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was an act of “unprovoked aggression,” the reality is far different: Russia had been duped into believing there was a diplomatic solution to the violence that had broken out in the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 U.S.-backed Maidan coup in Kiev.…

… The takeaway from this retrospection is astounding. Forget, for a moment, the fact that Merkel was comparing the threat posed by Hitler’s Nazi regime to that of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, and focus instead in on the fact that Merkel knew that inviting Ukraine into NATO would trigger a Russian military response.’

Merkel Reveals West’s Duplicity

When the consolidated corporate media are all singing from the same hymn sheet (bwak.. unprovoked aggression..bwak) my experience is it’s the opposite of what they’re singing.

Who wants to buy a mobile bioweapons lab? Anyone?

You forgot ‘demilitarize’. Which has definitely not been happening according to western media.

‘ What I find especially striking is how liberal interventionists, unrepentant neoconservatives, and a handful of progressives who are all-in for Ukraine seem to have no doubts whatsoever about the origins of the conflict or the proper course of action to follow today. For them, Russian President Vladimir Putin is solely and totally responsible for the war, and the only mistakes others may have made in the past was to be too nice to Russia and too willing to buy its oil and gas. The only outcome they are willing to entertain is a complete Ukrainian victory, ideally accompanied by regime change in Moscow…

… Given the foreign-policy failures of the past 30 years and the incoherent chaos of the Trump era, this development is hardly surprising. Although prominent restrainers have repeatedly criticized Russia’s actions and endorsed Western support for Ukraine since the war began, they have also warned of the risks of escalation, emphasized the need for more flexible diplomacy, and reminded people that incautious efforts to spread liberal ideals helped cause this tragedy. For die-hard proponents of liberal hegemony, however, such views are anathema and must be discredited, and the active use of U.S. power on a global scale must be rehabilitated and redeemed’

The Perpetually Irrational Ukraine Debate

You could quibble with some of the statements in the article (no, the majority of the world is not on board with Natostan. The global south China and India are not on side) I think he describes the problems well of the staked out positions driving bad outcomes down the road.

I keep hearing about how the Maidan coup was US backed...but nothing from the likes of you about Russian puppet Yanukovych refusing to sign an agreement that would bring Ukraine closer to the European Community.
Are you saying that the Maidan coup and the Euromaidan protests were NOT ABOUT becoming closer to Europe?

Yanukovych instead dragged Ukraine closer to Russia, which was exactly what his boss Putin wanted, screw what the Ukrainians wanted. Oh, except for those Russian Ukrainians which seem to be the ONLY Ukrainians you think really count, because of course according to your commentary, the rest of them are just Nazis, right?

(CUE: "Show me where I said they're Nazis Jeff !" and other sealioning nonsense in 3-2-1...)

Do you work for Paul Manafort?
I ask because you seem to be borrowing a little bit from his rhetoric.

You forgot to say "shitlibs".
Isn't that the term popularized by Jacobin Mag?