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Bad outcomes like Europeans being a bit colder this winter?

I don’t know. I don’t speak for Jacobin.

Right.

Worse than that when all possibilities are on the table. Struggling Europeans is now baked in the cake, sadly.

Oh dear, oh dear, searching for perfection again, searching for 100% guarantees again.
Did anyone ever tell these handwringers that nothing in the universe is 100 percent guaranteed?
How about did anyone ever ask if Russian guarantees could be counted upon?
I wouldn't count on Russia to ever do anything except that which promotes their expansion into the rest of Europe.
Know why? Because I listen to Russian state owned media, which these days is pretty much the ONLY media allowed to operate.

My grasp of the language is tenuous at best these days, what with my exit from American-Russian Television in West Hollywood being almost thirty years ago but ever since your buddy Trump cozied up to Putin (your other buddy) I've been trying my best to resurrect a bit more of my memory of the language beyond "Yob tvoyu mat" and other epithets which tend to stick in one's memory if one has ever ridden the streets of Moscow with a Russian driver.

Hawks? Ukraine will cease to exist except as a Russian vassal state if they don't win.
How hawkish is it to want your country's continued existence and your national identity preserved?
I'd say that's basic survival instinct, not hawkishness.

Russians using a nuclear weapon? That's what state owned media keeps pushing, and funny thing about that, every time Tucker Carlson speaks, his majority audience listens with rapt attention.
No, his majority audience isn't here anymore, it's the 144 million Russians who are treated to direct satellite feeds of his show now, because his show is piped into Russia now.
They love him even more than Fox viewers in the US do now.

But Russia's own state media started pushing nuke talk right around the time your buddy Trump did.
Yes, your buddy...after all, you're much more concerned about the welfare of the Russian people and their sainted president than you are about anything else.
That makes them both your buddies, sorry.

Just put the red hat on already.


NATO was formed as a response to Russian encroachment into Europe.
Russia has steadily been encroaching on Europe all along, it didn't stop when the Berlin Wall fell.
Oh right, that doesn't count because again, US is to blame for the Iron Curtain, right Chunks?
I'm sure you harbor that view.

"Bla bla bla mumble mumble something about if US hadn't done thus and so, the Russians never would have built the wall to begin with", right?

Why should the free world give two shits about what Russian "elites" think?
Have Russian elites ever given two shits about the free world?

"and they were actively looking for ways to stop it."

Yeah, by installing a Russian puppet government, canceling European agreements and basically imprisoning the opposition.

I think the Maiden coup and the parties surrounding it has more direct impact of the situation going on today yes. I’d point to their needing to be a negotiated settlement (Minsk 1&2) that supports that observation.

Breaking those agreements, the shelling of civilian and military locations within the breakaways by the Ukranian paramilitaries, led to the current conflict in ways more relevant to Holdomor.

Our governments giving military assistance and refusing to reenforce the Minsk agreements didn’t help. Declaring Ukraine would be accepted into NATO was not a smart idea, imo.

Explain to us please what exactly about both Minsk agreements was favorable to Ukraine, its sovereignty and its future security. Be specific.

It was agreed by the major European Union states as a way to resolve the civil war and end the conflict. It was…

Wait,….why bother answering your questions when you won’t answer mine?

Sea-lioning, we've done your questions to death.
It was agreed to by EU states but it didn't end anything and the blame for that isn't on the USA, or Ukraine nearly as much as it was and still is on Russia, on little green men, on tainted elections, to name a few.
Even if all the crap you pin on the US were to stick, there isn't enough money on the planet to convince a majority of the Ukrainian people that it wasn't a cheap parlor trick.

The only thing I can think of that even barely amounts to cooperation, compromise or concession on the part of Putin is when he agreed to encourage Russian separatists to delay their 2015 elections while a temporary partial weapons pullout happened.

Oh goody, how magnanimous of the Russian prick; we'll pause beating the s*** out of you while we hold one of our famous "referendums" at gunpoint and then hold a "managed election" to put Russian legal status on the land we're stealing from you.

Just put the red hat on already Chunk, you don't care what happens to Ukraine, you care what happens to Putin.
Just own it already.

Oh by the way, I love how "The Minsk deal includes a year-end deadline for Kyiv to recover full control over its border with Russia."

Kyiv recovering full control over its border with Russia, a border defined BY Russia, to service the agenda of Vladimir Putin.
Oh yeah, by the way, did you ever check on how those oil and gas explorations are coming along in Ukraine?
It's not unusual for one or even two foreign countries to stick their nose in developments like that but in this case the country with the biggest snout happens to be Putin's Russia.

Not surprising.