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Sen. Warnock’s win in Georgia was another big loss for TrumpThe outcome of the Georgia runoff Senate election spotlighted a fatal fall from grace for disgraced criminal Donald Trump, even from a growing list of Republicans who now realize his threat to their party.![[Linked Image from capitolhillblue.com]](https://capitolhillblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/120622-loser-trump.jpg) (Getty images) By DOUG THOMPSON
December 7, 2022Raphael Warnock deserved the win in the Georgia runoff election for Senator Tuesday in Georgia. Disgraced and criminal former president Donald Trump more than deserved his latest loss there, cementing his false claims of being a kingmaker for the Republican Party he has almost totally destroyed. Warnock becomes the first African American to represent Georgia for a full term in the Senate, winning his reelection to fill a seat left vacant in the midterm. The preacher from Atlanta has established himself as a good Senator who serves Georgia well. His opponent, former football star Hershel Walker, a self-declared conservative who paid for an abortion for at least one girlfriend while married and lied like Trump on just about everything, lives in Texas but was brought in by Trump to try and destroy Democratic chances of holding on to control of the Senate. A typical candidate for Trump to pick. Notes New York Times columnist Ross Douthat: The last Senate runoffs in Georgia fell on the 5th of January, 2021, which meant they were immediately overridden in the nation’s imagination by the events of Jan. 6. But everything that’s happened since has somehow brought us back around to where we stood just before the riot at the U.S. Capitol, with yet another Georgia runoff providing yet another case study in why the Republican Party desperately needs to move on from Donald Trump.
This time around the Trumpian influence was a little more indirect, but still important. He publicly encouraged his old U.S.F.L. pal Herschel Walker to run for Senate and helped to clear the field with his endorsement, ensuring that the G.O.P. would have a hapless, incompetent and morally suspect candidate in one of the year’s most important Senate races. And then he forced Walker to stagger through the runoff against Raphael Warnock in the shadow of Trump’s own low-energy campaign announcement, which was succeeded by Trump’s dinner with anti-Semites, which was succeeded by Trump’s call to suspend the Constitution in order to restore him to the presidency.
All of this predictably helped make the runoff a fractal of the larger 2022 pattern: Under Trump’s influence, with Trump’s preferred candidates, the Republican Party first sacrificed a potential Senate majority and then sacrificed one more Senate seat for good measure. But most Republicans, who left their brains and common sense back somewhere, continue to embrace this man who faces charges of sedition, obstruction of justice, and fraud. On election day in Georgia, a New York jury convicted the Trump Organization, his wholly owned company, of tax fraud and other crimes on all counts. In Georgia, the attorney general is preparing a case against Trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election results in that state by trying to convince election officials and the GOP governor to manufacture votes that did not exist and replace Electoral College electors with a fake list that would vote only for him. Writes Thomas B. Edsall: In the weeks immediately surrounding the midterm elections, Donald Trump called for the “termination” of constitutional rule, openly embraced the conspiratorial QAnon movement, pledged support for the Jan. 6 rioters and hosted, over dinner at Mar-a-Lago, the white supremacist Nicholas Fuentes and Ye (once known as Kanye West), both of whom are prominent antisemites.
Does every step Trump takes off the deep end make him a greater liability for the Republican Party, potentially leading to a second Biden term, the loss of the party’s precarious control of the House and an across-the-board weakening of Republican candidates up and down the ticket — from the U.S. Senate to local school boards?
Will Trump’s wrecking ball bid for the presidency fracture his party? Will Trump’s extremism prompt the mainstream right — Mitch McConnell, Ron DeSantis, Glenn Youngkin, Nikki Haley and all the rest — to rise up in revolt? How are the worsening intraparty fissures likely to play out over the next two years?
Most of the strategists and scholars to whom I posed these questions outlined scenarios in which a Trump candidacy is mainly helpful to the Democratic Party and its candidates. They often cited the hurdles confronting those seeking to nominate a more mainstream candidate. “The Republican Party faces a lose-lose proposition as long as Trump is politically active,” Martin Wattenberg, a political scientist at the University of California-Irvine, told Edsall in an email. He adds: If Trump succeeds in getting the nomination again, it would seem that his brand is so damaged among Independents and some Republicans that he will be unelectable. And if Trump loses his nomination fight, it seems highly likely that he will charge that he is a victim of voter fraud and damage the legitimacy of the Republican nominee.” Trump still has about 30% of the GOP voters who are so entranced by his lies and fake claims that they will vote for him no matter what. Recent polls suggest that percentage is shrinking. The laws that he has flagrantly ignored are closing in on him and indictments are expected. Those who have participated in his criminal conduct are now seeking legal and political shelter to avoid going to prison. The end is near for Trump and his cult of criminal cronies. Copyright © 2022 Capitol Hill Blue
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Warnock wins, another victory given to the Democrats thanks to Trump - I’m surprised the runoff was as close as it was. 400.000 less voters turned out for the runoff than in the general election, but that’s normal. Both major party’s bases turned out, those who voted for Libertarian Chase Oliver and some independents who voted in November didn’t. I won’t know the full details until the exit poll comes out. Warnock won the independent vote in November by a 54-42 margin. He probably won them again yesterday, most likely around the same margin, but with less independents voting in the runoff than in the general election.
Trump chosen senate candidates who went down to defeat now include Walker along with Bolduc, Oz, Laxalt, Masters, Tshibaka, these that I remember off the top of my head. His only winner, Vance in Ohio, but Vance received 13 points less votes than non-Trump chosen Republican DeWine who ran for governor, a non-Trumper. Overall, in states where one can compare non-Trump chosen Republican candidates to Trump chosen candidates, the non-Trump chosen candidates ran an average of 10 points higher in votes received than the Trump chosen candidates. Independents don’t like Trump and apparently don’t like his chosen candidates either.
The GOP can’t win unless they win the independent vote since they’re still the smaller of the two major parties. All of Trump’s chosen candidates I mentioned above lost the independent vote. Independents did vote for those non-Trump chosen republican candidates. There’s a lesson there to be learned. I wonder if the Republican Party will learn it. They certainly didn’t after 2018 and again after 2020. I doubt they will this time either.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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I love that the GOP spent tens of millions trying for a win for a carpetbagging, CTE injured guy. Shows they'll put anyone up with an (R) by their name. Christian Walker, Hershel's son, said it best: The GOP is a joke. 
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Good riddance. 
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There’s a lesson there to be learned. I wonder if the Republican Party will learn it Typed like a person who only relies on polls for conclusions. The Republican Party of course knows Trump is bad for their "brand". What all the pundits, talking heads, and poll watchers continue to ignore is why. The reason is simple. Trump controls the Base. The Base listens to Trump and only Trump. No elected Republican can malign Trump and expect to get the support of the Base. Your statement would be accurate in a rational world, but the Republican Party does not operate in the real or normal world. So the correct statement should have been, yes the Republican Party did learn something (actually they have known since 2016) but there is not a damn thing they can do about it.
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There’s nothing rational when it comes to politics. Yes, Trump control a large segment of the Republican base. That is shrinking. Going by the polls, which by the way is about the only way to gauge public opinion or in this case Republican Party base of avid Trumpers. Trump’s very favorable rating among Republicans, I equate very favorable to be an avid Trumper. His very favorables have fallen to 41% today among Republicans vs. 65% back in January. His total favorable among Republicans, adding very favorable and somewhat favorable has also fallen from 81% down to 72%. Somewhat is hard to define, but very favorable is enthusiastic about Trump. Hence, me equating very favorable to avid Trump supporters. There’s little else to go on. I do think those Republican leaders who are interested in winning elections are quietly working behind the scenes to make Trump go away. All these investigations are helping them. They’re not about to come out and state Trump must go. Trump still controls around 40% of the GOP base if the polls are accurate. That’s still a lot of people. We’ll see. Trump was the cause of the GOP’s very poor showing; I’d call this midterm a Democratic Party victory even with the loss of the house. The Democrats gained a senate seat and gained 2 governorships while losing only 9 house seats. All thanks to Trump. Trump chosen candidates like Walker, Oz, Mastriano, Cox, Diehl, Masters, Lake, Laxalt, Tshibaka, Bolduc and more all lost. The Democrats owe a debt of gratitude to Trump for their very good to outstanding showing when their president was hovering around 40% overall job approval. I’d also say it’s time to celebrate the midterms, but not to get cocky especially if Trump fades from the scene. Nationwide, all adults, the two major parties are viewed equally, The Democratic party at 41% favorable/50% unfavorable while the Republican Party, even with Trump is at 40% favorable/50% unfavorable. There’s a lot of work to do, especially among independents and their view of the two major parties. Democratic Party at 24/54 favorable/unfavorable, the Republican Party at 24/53 favorable/unfavorable. Which simply means independents could easily jump back to the GOP if they get rid of Trump. Independents after voting Republican in 2016 have voted Democratic in 2018, 2020 and in 2022. The big question is can the democrats keep independents voting Democratic in 2024? https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/bp8fjk5g14/econTabReport.pdf
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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A new editorial published on Fox News.com is declaring former President Donald Trump's presidential ambitions to be officially dead. "Having suffered the rare humiliation of failing to win a second term in the Oval Office, and having cost his party a majority in the senate – three times – it is time for Donald Trump to step away from politics," she wrote. "It is the right thing to do for his party, for the country, and for himself." Ouch! When you lose Fox News.... 
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No one believed me when I said all along that Trump was a has been who didn’t know it yet. That all this focus on Trump was a waste of time. That the Democrats ought to forget Trump, DeSantis is the one they must worry about. At least election wise. DeSantis acts presidential and behaves like a grownup vs. Trump’s obnoxious, uncouth, rude ways with his behavior more like a 4-year-old spoiled brat than a grownup. Trump was very easy to dislike, especially among independents, DeSantis is easy to like. Trump had a ton of baggage, DeSantis none. Enough of this as a lead in. Here you go. Poll: DeSantis surges to 5-point lead over weakened Trump in 2024 primary matchup https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-de-...p-in-2024-primary-matchup-100022596.htmlAnother big difference among independents, Trump has a 26/63 favorable/unfavorable rating. DeSantis among independents is at 38/31 favorable/unfavorable. DeSantis is pretty much an unknown with 31% of independents responding undecided, not sure or who the heck is DeSantis. But DeSantis is the lone politician or potential candidate for 2024 to have a positive rating, higher favorable than unfavorable. Biden is seen at 32/55 favorable/unfavorable among independents with Harris at 27/53 favorable/unfavorable. https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/bp8fjk5g14/econTabReport.pdfBut with 2 years to go, these numbers don’t mean much other than to show DeSantis is the one to be weary of, not Trump. Trump a has been and has been a has been for a very long time. Only Trump, his avid supporters which is down to 41% of the Republican Party and the Democrats haven realized this yet.
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It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Here’s another: Anti-Trump Republicans Grow Louder: 'He's Less Relevant All the Time' https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-trump-republicans-grow-louder-125045756.html
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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