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I have been cogitating over the possibility of Congressional criminality. A number of Congress Members and Senators were actively involved in the planning for insurrection activities. That is why they wouldn't testify to the Jan 6 Committee. They will not have that luxury when confronting the Special Counsel. I am of the belief that several of them committed definable crimes, between the fake elector scheme, to the trolling for vote manipulation, to coordinating the actual attack on the Capitol. I think there is likely more evidence to be found about "tours" (read reconnaissance) of the Capitol immediately before the attack. I don't for a moment believe that Boebert's tweeting the location of Nancy Pelosi was innocent, whether it is prosecutable is another matter - until it is tied to other behavior. There were, in my mind, three levels of Congresscritters involved in the coup plot. 1) those that were actively involved in planning, e.g., Jordan, Perry, 2) those that participated in more than casual fashion, and 3) those that went along (e.g., the 139 Representatives and 8 Senators that voted to decertify). Some in category 2 may actually be in category 1, depending on how the evidence falls out. A fairly good summary is available here: These 16 Republican congressmembers helped Trump try to overturn the 2020 election (Grid).
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Update on the Georgia investigation into Election Interferrence. Ga. special grand jury ends probe of Trump, 2020 election https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-special-grand-jury-finishes-152626817.html
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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The Special Grand Jury wants their final report to be public. I hope that DA Willis makes it so. 
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A Judge will rule on that Rick.
It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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Got it, thanks Pero. As Pero points out, Judge McBurney will hold a hearing on the issue January 24, with DA Willis and any media outlet which wishes to intervene being "given an opportunity at that time to provide its perspective." Safe bet that the major news purveyors will be in favor of disclosure! 
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The Special Grand Jury information will become public when defendants are indicted by the normal Grand Jury, if not sooner. Those questioned by either Grand Jury are free to talk about their own testimony any time.
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Jack Smith just subpoenaed former Trump Admin VP Mike Pence for former President Donald Trump's role on J621. Pence described some of his ordeal in his recently published book, So Help Me God. Pence stated in his book what he refused to state to the J621 Committee. Now Jack Smith is going to compel Pemce to repeat, under oath, claims he made in his book in the Fall of 2022 as part of Pence's future presidential run. 
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I predict ... executive privilege and 5th amendment ...
He will try to delusionally protect his position as a possible presidential candidate. He is viewed as a traitor by the Base. Why he believes he can get past a primary is beyond me. He needs to take a reality pill.
He has become complicit in the now almost de facto concept which I have been typing of politicians above the law. He will continue to maintain he as VP, if forced to testify would break precedent and ultimately separation of powers. So should a politician attempt a coup he will not testify against them.
Thanks for your patriotism Mr Pence.
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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I predict ... executive privilege and 5th amendment ... . This is why executive privilege won't work: Pence has already blabbed in his book. You can't blab in your book, then claim executive privilege. Then again, Prence is Rwing - those people are not known for stellar thinking. Same goes for exercising the 5th. 
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I don't think Pence gave up the goods in his book. He mostly regurgitated public information.
As far as recounting what went on in those meetings .... he'll plead the 5th and executive privilege
These character's only interest is themselves and their party ... Democracy and this country is dead last .... but it's what they consider patriotism
my 13 Revolutionary War ancestors are turning over in their graves
ignorance is the enemy without equality there is no liberty America can survive bad policy, but not destruction of our Democratic institutions
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