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NO charges have been filed ... there is nothing to quash. Since special grand jury could only offer recommends, are those guilty of conscience anticipating an indictment from a grand jury? Their argument is somehow the foreperson tainted the process by simply mentioning a special grand jury entertained possible recommended indictments. So if that should be a viable argument, then any indictment SC Jack Smith should present is also tainted by a plethora of legal pundits who have admonished him of all the possible charges he should level against, whomever he is investigating i.e. stop wasting money and let everyone go.

Simply stalling tactics. Stop the theatrics and lets see which laws were broken, and see what charges will be filed, and see if grand jury indicts based on that. I am curious about the evidence (other than perfect phone call).

There haven’t been any leaks as to the evidence or what the witnesses said. Not that I know of anyway. The phone call along with Giuliani lying to the state legislature is about all public knowledge of what went on with the special grand jury. Willis now must decide what she’s going to do with the Special Grand Jury report. Will she proceed to seat a regular grand jury or not?

What we have is a lot of speculation with little facts. I’m not one to count my chickens before they’re hatched. We still have two big questions left. If Willis proceeds to the regular grand jury, is the evidence in the special grand jury report enough to get them to indict. 2. Is there enough evidence in the report to win in court.

You have somewhere between 16-23 jurors on a regular grand jury. Here in Georgia, all it takes is a simple majority to indict someone. In Georgia, 90% of grand juries vote to indict. In the court trial, it must be unanimous, all 12 jurors must vote guilty. If Willis proceeds, getting the indictment is probably a foregone conclusion. Getting a guilty verdict in court is another matter. We’ll see what happens.

I suspect after she had seen some evidence prior to SGJ, she was convinced something happened which may be construed as criminal. After gathering evidence during SGJ proceedings, she was probably convinced at least some crimes had been committed and the SGJ agreed. Which goes to your second point.

She will take recommends to grand jury for consideration, expecting indictments. She will only present evidence for cases to those alleged criminal activities if she believes she can win those cases once grand jury indicts.

The problem with juries is nullification. If she proceeds, trials will be held in GA. First order of business for defendants would be to change venue to say Murray County and allow Rep Greene preside over trials. Second order of business for prosecution would be to find an objective jury pool. All it takes is one MAGA-head to be on jury and we would have jury nullification.

I predict she will only proceed with cases which she believes are ironclad. I predict even if defendant admits to criminal activities( a la the perfect phone call) there is a probability of jury nullification .... after all he is kwisatz haderach

Regardless of where the trial is held if Trump is indicted, it will in my opinion be an impossible task to find 12 unbiased jurors who aren’t either pro or anti Trump. I would probably vote guilty of anything regardless of the evidence concerning Trump just to get him out of politics.

I am against anyone who assaults Democracy. I compartmentalize better than most so would have to see what evidence is required to prove a crime had been committed. Should DA Lewis not prove the case, I as a juror would be compelled to acquit, and this despite the fact what he did was ethically damaging, but we are not talking about ethics, and we are talking about the law.

And despite the fact Trump is clearly the proverbial albatross around the party's neck, the party tolerance for bigotry and fascism has been a long term paradigm in the making. If they can't sell what they call conservatism, then change the ideology to something which does sell.

You would think jury nullification would have been rampant for the Jan 6th insurrectionists, and yet the Justice Department is batting 1000 so far. I think a lot of extremists on both right and left are being dismissed when the jury selection happens. That Georgia forewoman seems to be pretty apathetic about politics, yet understands that people who commit crimes need to be punished.

And even if the Georgia trial jury nullifies, there is still the DC criminal process being led by Jack Smith. I doubt any stealth Trumpists will make it onto a jury there. Remember, these guys wear their hearts on their sleeves (or rather their MAGA hats) on social media. Keep in mind Trump will be charged with just a few crimes in an initial trial, but there are dozens of other crimes he could be charged with. I doubt nullification could work for Trump again and again.

Then there is the civil case in New York that is going to drain Trump's funds and forbid anybody named Trump from ever doing business in New York state. His loans all get called due, and his credit is ruined.

If trials start to go bad (and they will), I wouldn't be surprised if Trump decides to flee. He's already tried that by fleeing New York for a "friendlier" Florida.

All comments regarding jury nullification apply only to Trump. Perhaps you did not know many MAGA-heads believe he is the son of God, come to America to save it from the Satanic, baby eating horde of Marxists in Congress.

Jury nullification is more than just a passing errant thought. A real possibility for Trump. I also might mention the mainstay of Trump's legal battles has always been to delay in perpetuity. He may pass before a verdict would have ever been read.


Run? He is a narcissist. He is in your face. He is still looking for the evidence from top secret files of the "Russia hoax". It should be obvious to all MAGA-heads the "deep state" is still after him because he tells the truth .... the swamp ... the election ... no responsibility ... he didn't do it .... perfect then and perfect now .... exonerated ... etc. Does that sound like someone who will run?

Gotta think outta the box when it comes to typing about Trump.

A Georgia jury is not going to nullify. We ALL have heard that "perfect call" where Trump asked SecState Brad Raffensperger to find 11,780 votes. THAT is against GA law.

Pence fighting Jack Smith's subpoena to testify is really pathetic. What a coward Pence is! Pence is completely fine with blabbing all he knows in a book he wrote and gets royalties from, but to state the same thing under oath, seems to be a bridge too far for Pence.

...and the guy wants to be POTUS?

Trump could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose a single supporter .... remember that? Trump could admit to the crime (o he has .... it was perfect!!!) have it on video, have multiple witnesses, etc and still there is a possibility a MAGA-head would simply nullify a possible conviction ... after all he is the son of god ...

Trump cultists are not rational, so despite the fact he may have committed a crime they would not see it that way ergo not guilty.