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Originally Posted by pdx rick
How is the GOP any different from any of these disinformation outlets? The GOP have become a front for a terrorist organization called MAGA with its lies and stroking fear and hatred in their quest for power to control the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches of U.S. Government.

They're not. At least the MAGA republicans aren't.

The Maga republicans, although currently a minority, along with FOX is one powerful entity. I have been watching FOX lately just to see for myself what lies they are telling. It is pathetic, I agree! But, I can see how some people can believe what FOX is feeding them. They are spoon fed this misinformation regularly and after a while, they get brainwashed into believing it. People have to get their news from various sources, but when you only watch the liars, they start believing them.

Todays MAGA republicans and FOX will be the ruin of this country. Many people seem to think the threat is over, but I think it's just beginning. I think we may be near the end of the beginning of this assault on democracy, turning it into an autocracy.

Most people think that the MAGA crowd will shrink away to nothing, but I think along with FOX's help with their free speech (lies) assault on our democracy, our democracy is doomed. I know people that vote MAGA akthough it is against their own interests. Unbelievable.

Sorry for the doom and gloom, but that's how I see the future of our country. It will be a miracle if we can hold on to this democracy. I fear that in the next 20 years, the experiment will be over. Failed!

Oh, BTW, I just saw a poll showing that Trump is gaining popularity over DeSantis 58% - 17%.

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Originally Posted by Kaine
...Todays MAGA republicans and FOX will be the ruin of this country. Many people seem to think the threat is over, but I think it's just beginning. I think we may be near the end of the beginning of this assault on democracy, turning it into an autocracy...
I 100% agree with you. I feel like we're frogs, sitting in water with the heat slowly being turned up by fascist authoritarian conservatives and soon we will be boiled to death (ie loose our democracy and our freedoms.)

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...Sorry for the doom and gloom, but that's how I see the future of our country. It will be a miracle if we can hold on to this democracy. I fear that in the next 20 years, the experiment will be over. Failed!
I think your perception is spot on.


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I find my brain in a state of dissonance. How can Carlson, who loathes Trump, routinely support Trump during Carlson's commentaries? Taken within the context of current Fox News internals, that was a rhetorical question. It is and was obvious what the propaganda arm of the Republican Party through Carlson was doing.

Sen Cruz .... you want to ask your disingenuous question again????


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Originally Posted by rporter314
I find my brain in a state of dissonance. How can Carlson, who loathes Trump, routinely support Trump during Carlson's commentaries? Taken within the context of current Fox News internals, that was a rhetorical question. It is and was obvious what the propaganda arm of the Republican Party through Carlson was doing.

Sen Cruz .... you want to ask your disingenuous question again????

Under the banner of "news," Fox "News" knowingly and maliciously lied - for power and profit, Who would have ever thought to label Rwingers greedy power-hungry, money-grubbers?

There needs to be a serious conversation now about whether Fox can continue to be a member of the White House Correspondents Association. mad


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A lot of people who knew that the election was not stolen, was not infected by massive fraud, continued to repeat the allegations that it was - former president Trump, first among them, and including some of his megaphones on Fox News, irresponsibly pedaled false narratives.

That's outrageous. This reenforces the notion that the attack on the Capitol was motivated by lies to the American people. A lot of people attacking the Capitol on J6 sincerely believed that the election was stolen. That's because many Republicans lied to them. This is one of the central takeaways from the Dominion v Fox lawsuit discovery which is providing further evidence of Republicans lying to the American people about the 2020 election. mad

If Fox cared about the truth that it now acknowledges as seen by the lawsuit discovery, Fox would have its top personalities reporting that truth to its audience - but they're not doing that.

A significant percentage of Americans who still wrongly believe the 2020 election was stolen - including so many of Fox's own loyal viewers, who heard it over and over again on Fox's airwaves. After all, as Rupert Murdoch himself admitted, Fox is 'uniquely positioned to state the message that the election was not stolen,' and yet Fox continues to fail to do so even today.


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There needs to be a serious conversation now about whether Fox can continue to be a member of the White House Correspondents Association. mad

They should have had that yanked a long time ago.


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Originally Posted by pdx rick
A lot of people who knew that the election was not stolen, was not infected by massive fraud, continued to repeat the allegations that it was - former president Trump, first among them, and including some of his megaphones on Fox News, irresponsibly pedaled false narratives.

That's outrageous. This reenforces the notion that the attack on the Capitol was motivated by lies to the American people. A lot of people attacking the Capitol on J6 sincerely believed that the election was stolen. That's because many Republicans lied to them. This is one of the central takeaways from the Dominion v Fox lawsuit discovery which is providing further evidence of Republicans lying to the American people about the 2020 election. mad

If Fox cared about the truth that it now acknowledges as seen by the lawsuit discovery, Fox would have its top personalities reporting that truth to its audience - but they're not doing that.

A significant percentage of Americans who still wrongly believe the 2020 election was stolen - including so many of Fox's own loyal viewers, who heard it over and over again on Fox's airwaves. After all, as Rupert Murdoch himself admitted, Fox is 'uniquely positioned to state the message that the election was not stolen,' and yet Fox continues to fail to do so even today.

That sort of activity is a threat to national security and Fox's continuing conduct is injurious to constitutional things like the Peace and the General Welfare.


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Democracy will be saved by voting, resisting autocracy, participating in civics, and pushing back on disinformation - it's our civic duty.

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I agree, it could be saved by voting, if enough of the voting public pay attention. They would have to take extra measures to watch news from multiple outlets and media. I see very little on the NBC or ABC Nightly News regarding the continuing threat to our democracy.


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Like climate change .... the ongoing threat to Democracy is too slow to see in real time. However the evidence when followed to it's rightful conclusion clearly demonstrates the dangers lovers of Democracy face.


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