Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Campaign 2020 J6: Putting it all together

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Proud Boys Joe Biggs, Enrique Tarrio, Ethan Nordean, Zach Rehl found guilty of Seditious Conspiracy. Dominic Pezzola found guilty of obstructing the vote certification.

Joe Biggs' role was at the nexus between the mob that attacked Congress and those that orchestrated the mob, his prosecution is the most important case in the entire January 6 investigation.

This point was echoed by Tarrio during a Gateway Pundit appearance after closing arguments, in which he called himself, “the next stepping stone.” And in a comment during closing arguments for which prosecutors got a curative instruction, Norm Pattis (the lawyer Biggs shares with Alex Jones) said, “this case will have impact on [the government’s] charging decisions in other cases.”

A jury found Biggs and Tarrio guilty of all charges against them save two assaults charged under a co-conspirator liability theory: the one Dominic Pezzola committed in stealing the riot shield that he would then use to make the first breach of the building, and the one for throwing a water bottle for which Charles Donohoe, whose absence from the trial seems to have befuddled the jury, already pled guilty.

The sedition verdicts against Biggs, Tarrio, Ethan Nordean and Zach Rehl are the showy news result, but Pezzola’s fate may prove just as instructive for what this verdict means for others. In addition to charges for assaulting that cop, robbing his shield, and breaking the window, Pezzola was found guilty of obstructing the vote certification, but not conspiring with the others to do that (on which the jury hung) or to seditiously attack the government (on which the jury came back with a not guilty verdict).

According to this Vice News interview with one of the jurors, one reason they didn’t convict Pezzola on sedition is because he “may not have been bright enough to really know about the plan.”

Now on to the Oath Keepers...

The government has stated that neither the Proud Boys nor the Oath Keepers are militias. Both groups have been characterized as seditionists by the U.S. Government. It's the participants of these groups that think of themselves as militias. They are not.

i am uncomfortable with the use of the word "militia". I think the correct language should be "legal militia" (perhaps redundant considering the laws involved) as defined by the Dick Act of 1903 and all state laws which recognize organized groups outside of the Dick Act. There are still states which have artifacts of militias which date back to the Revolution. Groups such as the Proud Boys are not and have never been recognized as legal entities under state laws.

Regarding those few states which continue to recognize militias outside the Dick Act, it is those which I believe are supported by the 2nd Amendment precisely. Thus should those states not provide armaments for these legal groups, then the 2nd Amendment would provide the vehicle for individuals to procure armaments without infringement by government.

Stewart Rhodes just got sentenced to 18 years in prison, and the judge told him the day he gets released he will present great danger to America.

I suspect even as a prisoner he continues to be a clear and present danger to Democracy. His ideas and following with continue their campaign against Democracy.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel has indicted fake electors for their part in the overall scheme to overthrow the government and overturn the 2020 election they lost. (For a quick refresher, Joe Biden beat Trump in Michigan by almost three full percentage points. It wasn’t close.)

Nessel is charging 16 Republicans, the youngest two of them are 55 - with felonies for going into the basement of the Michigan Republican Party and affirming multiple times on documents that they were “the duly elected and qualified electors for president and vice president of the United States of America for the state of Michigan.” These folks were not that.

These people then sent their lying forged docs to the U.S. Senate and to the National Archives, because they wanted then Vice-President Mike Pence to have the courage to use their fake elector certificates instead of the real ones from the real world, where Joe Biden kicked Donald Trump's ass in the election.

These are the first electors to be criminally indicted, and hopefully, not the last.

Republicans bill themselves as the party of law and order. They're more the party of cheat at any cost to steal elections.

I think when they bill themselves as "Law and Order" what they really mean is "we're a Law unto ourselves and we will Order you about."