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Originally Posted by Jeffery J. Haas
BREAKING: Plane believed to be carrying Wagner chief Yevgeniy Prigozhin crashes in Russia, according to Russian state media
Ukraine live briefing: Plane believed to be carrying Wagner chief Yevgeniy Prigozhin crashes in Russia according to Russian state media

Originally Posted by pdx rick
Putin has turned to a state sponsored smear campaign against Prigozhin, the Wagner Group military leader who led a brief mutiny against the Kremlin.

Falling out of window will be the next event for Prigozhin. First the smear, then the assignation is the usual pattern that Putin's enemies face.

Coincidence? I think not! smile


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Some people have been saying that Yevgeniy Prigozhin is clever and uses body doubles.

It’s now been three days since this incident, Yevgeniy Prigozhin has not shown his face, if in fact, he is still alive. Also, no mention of “black box” recovery for analysis in any article that I’ve read on this incident. No black box analysis is needed because what happened was pre-determined.

Putin spoke of Yevgeniy Prigozhin in the past tense after news of the incident became known, because the reality is, this was an assassination of a man who became disloyal to Putin.

When Yevgeniy Prigozhin dared challenge Putin with his “march to Moscow,” it made Putin look weak. People don’t make Putin look weak and live (long) to tell it about. Putin’s usual device for eliminating people is for them fall out of a window. In this case, a plane fell out of the sky.


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I think that an organized coup is presently less likely, with the death of Prighozin (and I do believe he is dead).

Putin has made many moves to remove other catalysts for a coup, and has taken over the Wagner organization (it's military mastermind - and organizer - was also killed in the crash). So that threat, at present, is neutralized.

Here's the thing about a coup: somebody has to be the figurehead. Putin has sequentially removed anyone whose head has made it above ground - even erstwhile allies. He's now going about right-wing nationalists, because he is not a nationalist. He is a tyrannical dictator.


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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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