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Not me. I've been enthusiastic repeatedly, especially for Obama. I'm an enthusiastic Biden supporter. How one can look at the progress he's made and not want more of it just baffles me - economy, foreign policy, democratic norms, equality - all improved under Biden.

But, given the obvious evil on the other side, how is it a contest? It's not the lesser of, it's just evil versus "not evil".

IMO, this election is different than any other. I agree one side is evil and one side is not. But, most times, neither side is evil, just have different values.

I lean towards the left, so I would vote for Biden, but he is far from my ideal candidate. In some things, he is too far left on for me. Trump is totally out of the question so that will be a no vote there from me.

Unique certainly. A former president vs. a sitting president. Only once in our history has that happened. 1892 when Grover Cleveland defeated the sitting president Benjamin Harrison. 2024 is also unique in that it is the second time that both major party presidential candidates are view much more negatively than positively by most Americans. 2016 was the previous election, Clinton 38% favorable, 56% unfavorable. Trump 36% favorable, 60% unfavorable. In every other election except two were both candidates viewed favorably by a majority of Americans, over 50% except in 1964, Goldwater at 43% favorable/47% unfavorable and again with Trump in 2020 43% favorable/56% unfavorable. But LBJ and Biden were viewed favorable by a majority of Americans.

2024 will become the second election in our history with both major party candidates seen by less than 50% favorable and higher than 50% unfavorable. Currently Biden is seen positively/favorable by 39% of all Americans, unfavorable by 55%. Trump at 41% favorable, 54% unfavorable.

This is how all Americans view both major party candidates at this time. This is why we have a quarter to a third of all Americans wanting, searching for another viable candidate other than the two major party candidates. Why do I point this out and do so constantly? I think everyone needs to know what is going on nationally, how all Americans feel, think, want or in this case of the rematch, don’t want. 64% of all Americans want other candidates according to a Harvard CAPS poll. This isn’t a feel-good election. It’s a very scary election.

Myself, I never voted for Trump and never would. He’s a scumbag to put it mildly. I’d vote for Atilla the Hun before I’d even think about voting for Trump. I don’t think Biden is the right candidate to defeat Trump, Biden gives Trump at least as of today a bit more than a 50-50 chance of regaining the white house. But that doesn’t mean I’m not in Biden’s corner as far as voting is concerned. I am. It’s just I think folks ought to know how all of America are viewing this election and are viewing both major party candidates.

This from Gallup explains the current election situation much better than I could ever do. It goes into depth.

Felonies, Old Age Heavily Count Against Candidates

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Few Americans willing to say they’d back a candidate charged with a felony
Nearly as many reluctant to vote for someone older than 80
Vast majority would back a woman, Hispanic adult, Catholic or Black adult

https://news.gallup.com/poll/609344...nt=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

Even if a third party would get in that I would want to vote for, this election I think I would not be able to vote for them. I already think Trump will win if there is a third party candidate, and if I voted for a third party, it would help Trump get elected.

It creates quite the quandary to have someone that you would want to vote for, knowing that it would most likely cause a dictator to take control of the country and take our democracy away from us the people!

If one is following this election based on the whole electorate one would find that most independents take this Trump would be a dictator or he’s out to destroy democrats as nothing more than campaign rhetoric, a vote for me negative attack ad. 59% of all Americans think the democrats are using this as a scare tactic. They’re not taking this seriously. We’re going to have an election in which most Americans do not want the sitting president reelected, where most Americans don’t want the former president to regain the white house. Where a majority of Americans are looking for someone other than Trump and or Biden. So far, it’s this simple.

To the question, If Donald Trump was the Republican nominee and Joe Biden the Democratic nominee, would you consider an independent moderate candidate running for the presidency in 2024 or not? 55% of all Americans answered yes which included 64% of independents, the election deciders. Keep in mind the question used the word consider which doesn’t mean they’d vote for this moderate independent. But it does show the total dissatisfaction with both major party choices.

With Biden it boils down to his age, the fear for his mental fitness, the perceived bad job he has done as president. With Trump it’s his legal problems, the fear he’s a threat to democracy, his mental stability, his overall obnoxious personality along with his vindictiveness. 61% of all Americans think this country needs a new president, but not Trump. I don’t think neither major party realizes how much their candidate is unwanted by most of America. Regardless of what the rest of America thinks, wants or don’t want, Biden will get my vote.

The country is in a sour mood when it comes to incumbents.

POLITICS - FEBRUARY 2, 2024 - U.S. Voters: Biden, Most in House Don't Deserve Another Term
38% say Biden, 24% say most members of Congress deserve reelection
55% say their own member of Congress is deserving of another term
Biden's reelect score worse than prior incumbents early in election year

https://news.gallup.com/poll/609602...nt=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

It's going to be in an even more sour mood when they realize that after all those endless months of
"STOP THE STEAL!!!" it comes down to this.
This can't be repeated enough.

True the Vote fails to reveal evidence of Georgia voting fraud claims



Allegation of ballot collection scheme amplified by ‘2000 Mules’

Interesting week politically from an election standpoint. First Manchin stated he won’t run for the presidency leaving no labels without a presidential candidate as Romney earlier said he wouldn’t either. Although No Labels has ballot access in at least 14 states, worth 123 electoral college votes: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, Oregon, South Dakota, and Utah. With signature gatherers have another 14 states in their sights between now and November. They’re left with no candidate with name recognition or experience. Their 3 biggest hopes, Manchin, Romney has said no, Hogan has opted to run for the senate in Maryland.

Then there is RFK Jr. whose campaign seems to be following apart. He has fallen from 22% in the polls at the end of December to 7% as of 14 Feb 2024. Trump 40, Biden 38, Kennedy 7, West 1, Stein 1. Compare the 14 Feb numbers to that of 28 Dec 2023, Trump 35, Biden 33, Kennedy 22, West 2, Stein 2. Seems voters are beginning to leave their support for a 3rd party candidate for choosing between the two major party candidates. The lesser of two evils choice or for the major party candidate they want to lose the least. Then there is this about age and indictments.

“Voters were asked if President Biden’s age raises serious doubts about voting for him in 2024, and separately if former President Donald Trump’s criminal indictments raise serious concerns about voting for him. Voters are nearly equally concerned: 58% say Biden’s age raises serious doubts in their minds about voting for the president and 42% say it is not a serious consideration of theirs, while 57% say Trump’s criminal indictments raise serious doubts in the mind about voting for Trump and 43% say it is not a serious consideration of theirs.

Among independent voters, 54% say Biden’s age raises serious doubts for them, while 61% say Trump’s criminal indictment raises serious doubts.
Within the candidates’ own parties, 45% of Democrats say Biden’s age raises doubts, while 30% of Republicans say the same of Trump’s indictments.”

https://emersoncollegepolling.com/f...against-trump-among-prominent-democrats/

If we're honest with each other, and we ARE...

"No Labels" IS the "LABEL"...it's the House Wine of the Harlan Crow Estate and a couple of Facebook top execs.

So let's all, and by all I mean all of us in the United States, let's all stop kidding each other.
No Labels has labeled itself no matter how hard they try to put one over on the American people.

It's almost like Phoebe Buffay's twin sister Ursula on "Friends".

Are we really all just a bunch of Joey Tribianis?