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What I know is Rep. Jared Golden is delusional. If he believes Trump will not implement Project 2025, then Golden has been drinking from the wrong container.

Like I've said previously, you continue to make my prediction Trump will win ... one way or another. Yes on day 1 expect a dictator ... on day 2 expect the same dictator ... on day 3 .... why would any rational person believe Trump would not do what he has railed about for years ...

So I wonder where on the list Rep. Jared Golden will be? What list you ask? Gitmo ... that's where Trump will send the anti-Trumpers and those not passing his loyalty test. Charges you say? Trump don't need no damn charges .... he will be dictator and MAGA is fine with it .... it's added value


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Its strange, I was talking to a friend of mine from California. I told him some of this stuff and he started laughing. He said that Newsom was getting ready to run for president next year. I thought that was kinda interesting. I am not real concerned about the time to get familiar with voters. I think that two months is, probably as good as a six month Biden and, given his lack of love from Democrats in general, I suspect that virtually all Dems would delight for almost anybody but Biden. I think that is actually a shame but it also is kinda a fact. Biden is simply not loved by many of them them that should. As you say, he is simply not particularly appreciated or liked. (and Newsom has a lot of good points and you are right. He would have to work like hell so that people could learn but, I think, that's probably possible.

I REALLY want a Dem president this time around. Hopefully they can also take the congress and then they can deal with the Supremes. If nothing else I suspect that the run is going to be interesting and, hopefully, entertaining as well. We will, of course, find out in the fullness of time (always liked that phrase).

Later............

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Here’s something for you all to chew on – New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: 60% of Americans say Biden is not fit for another term as president after disastrous debate — yet 2024 contest with Trump remains too close to call

https://www.yahoo.com/news/new-yaho...remains-too-close-to-call-204915250.html

As for congress, the house, either party could gain or lose between 1-8 seats. Going by districts the democrats have 24 seats at risk of switching vs. the republicans 21 seats at risk of switching. The House today is a 100% pure tossup as to who will control it. The senate, West Virginia is a goner, Montana, Tester and Sheehy are dead even in the polls. Who wins in Montana probably will decide who controls the senate since the democrats got their wish and are now rid of Manchin. Ohio, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin are close with the democrats holding a slight lead of 3-5 points depending on the state. So far none of the currently held republican senate seats seem to be at risk. I’d say the best the democrats can hope for is a 50-50 tie. They’d better win the presidency so the VP can cast the tie breaking vote as Harris did for Biden’s first two years. The republicans still have a shot at winning the close senate seats in Ohio, Arizona, Nevada and Wisconsin, probably a 45% chance although the Democrats are slightly favored. The worst case scenario is for the democrats to lose those 4 close senate races along with goner West Virginia giving the GOP 54-46 advantage. Still a long way to go, none of this is written in stone nor am I predicting any results outside of the GOP gaining West Virginia.


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Very worse scenario? Trump wins Presidency and GOP takes Senate and holds the House.

RIP America! Welcome to Amerika!

(Sorry. I shouldn't be so pessimistic! My gut makes me do it! LOL)

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LOL, this far out, I’m neither pessimistic nor optimistic. There’s still a long way to go. The thing is all three races, for the House, the senate and the presidency are all too close to call or to make a prediction. The problem is that since the 2022 midterms, Trump has led Biden by 2 points on average, the house and the senate have been a tossup as to which party controls either one. I’ve never seen such steadiness. That may be due to the current modern political era of polarization, the great divide along with the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship. An era in which independents have become alienated to politics, I should say partisan politics. Although that group has grown from 30% of the electorate to 42% today over the last 15 years or so. Perhaps this growth also shows many of those who deserted both major parties have also become alienated or dissatisfied or come to detest how polarized and partisan our politics have become. How many of our elected official have retired citing the reason is the highly partisan atmosphere, the polarization of congress which makes governing, compromising, working with the other side impossible?

The more the more moderate folks leave the two major parties to become independents, the more retirement of those willing to compromise and work with the other side retire, the more polarized and partisan our politics become. Middle America is stuck in-between the two major parties with neither representing them anymore. This can be seen in the two major parties’ choice of presidential candidates, where around 60% of all Americans don’t want Biden reelected nor do approximately 60% want Trump to regain the white house. Something to think about.


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More good info to chew on:

Should Biden Quit? Democrats Weigh Potential Rewards and Steep Risks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-quit-democrats-weigh-potential-112324505.html


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There are multiples on the Biden thing. It just goes on and on. If he runs, and does not get elected, he will go down in history as, quite possibly, as the man who enabled Trump to change the entire United States and, basically, destroying freedom in the United States. This will last forever and he will be, literally, destroyed. I believe that the man deserves more than that and if he doesn't realize what he is taking a chance with he should also remember that, along with him, anybody close to him will also be condemned to the same stuff. His son, his wife, etc. will also be destroyed as its going to be a really serious thing by everybody who gets wrecked by Trump and, given his last presidency, the only difference is that this one will be MUCH worse the previous (considered by many to have been the worst presidency in American history. I am basing this on how wrong the public plans for Trump are and how bad the result will obviously be.

There is also the congress. Its generally agreed that if Biden goes down so does the Dems in the Congress as well.

I will vote for him but I do not want to. I think Biden is crazy to take a chance like this, Its simply too dangerous to do. Not just for Biden but anybody and everybody who is even vaguely connected to him will be destroyed. Perhaps this thought has been set by others, if so I am sorry to have duplicated something that is simply not a happy thing to either think of or say and I apologize. I do, however, believe that there are some really good people who can take over. I like the current governor of California but there are several other as well. I believe that any one of them can probably take out Trump. As far as I can tell there are a LOT of people who will be voting for Trump because they believe that Biden is terrible but have said if there was anybody else than Biden OR Trump they would vote for that candidate. I think they should be given a chance!

I really hope Biden changes his mind!!!!

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I’ve been saying all along that approximately 30% of Americans dislike and don’t want neither Biden nor Trump back in the white house come January 2025. I’ve seen this 30% being called double haters by some. What has happened since the debate, 8 days later? Trump is still at his 42% he was at on 27 June. However, Biden has dropped from 40% down to 37% while those intending to vote third party rose from 10% to 14%. I think it’s important to note that while Biden dropped, they didn’t go over to Trump.

Trump seems to have a ceiling of 43%, he’s never been above that in polls that included third party candidates. Biden’s ceiling is 41% as he’s never risen above that either. The third-party vote has fluctuated between 8-18% since November 2023. Whenever either Trump or Biden drop, they don’t go over to the other major party candidate, they go into the third-party column. Biden’s current 37% if the lowest he’s been since January 2024 when he was at 35%.

I don’t think the debate hurt Biden, this 30% who make up the double haters didn’t watch it. What has caused Biden to drop 3 points in my opinion is all this Biden must withdraw talk going around. This talk has hurt him more than his debate performance. What it has done is make some of those 30 percenters who were planning to vote for Biden as the lesser evil to Trump, to leave Biden. But not go over to Trump. They still dislike him and don’t want him to return to the white house.

I think you’re correct about Newsom or someone else replacing Biden. That the replacement would be much better received by these double haters. That’s a misnomer, they don’t hate, but I like that phrase as a description. The problem there is that it is late in the game. That this 30% right now are fed up with this election between two disliked and unwanted candidates. They tuned it out. Could Newsom or someone else get a lot of these double haters tuned back in and to the polls? Many have given up stating they won’t vote this year. Enthusiasm for voting for president is at an all time low. You can compare this year, Question 3.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_xTDr4ON.pdf

To the enthusiasm for voting for the president in 2020, question 22.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/nzc8dt85gn/econTabReport.pdf

When you don’t like neither major party candidates, there’s no incentive to go vote. This is something else I don’t think neither major party realizes. I say give Newsom or someone else a chance, we’ve got to get this 30%, these double haters interested in the 2024 presidential election again, as interested as they were back in 2020. Biden I don’t think is capable of doing that.


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I don’t think the debate hurt Biden, this 30% who make up the double haters didn’t watch it. What has caused Biden to drop 3 points in my opinion is all this Biden must withdraw talk going around. This talk has hurt him more than his debate performance.

And much of that talk, not all of it, but a large part of it, has been PAID FOR. Follow the money. This is the greatest sin, because it comes from people who were never hurt by Trump's fascist dictatorial tornado. These people "get away scot free" from any and all consequences thanks to the kind of wealth that has never been seen or even imagined in all recorded history. These megadonors, although few in number, own more wealth than the richest Saudi sheikhs. And they are not just Americans, many do not even live here. Their weapon is so called "dark money" which was legalized by the Supreme Court, who now says 99 percent of all bribery is also legal.

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When you don’t like neither major party candidates, there’s no incentive to go vote. .

So, there wasn't enough pain to convince them last time around? Maybe the death of the country as they know it might convince them?
Maybe being forced eventually to bow to a hostile foreign dictator might get through to them?

Maybe being told to "DIG THE HOLE!" at gunpoint? That's what happens to useful idiots once their usefulness is at its end.

I remain open to other options regarding Biden but so far nobody else has stepped up to sell themselves to the people.
I do think Newsom could beat Trump like an old drum. But almost any decent man or woman could, because Trump is a bully and simply needs to be handled like a bully. If by some miracle Biden wins, he could either step down or the 25A could be exercised by his Cabinet and the torch is passed to Kamala and I'd be comfortable with that, too.

But the astounding ignorance of too many precludes them from understanding these options because in this country "it's cool to be stupid" and
therefore there is no urgency to learn how our electoral process works.


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Biden is, basically, becoming a kind of a joke. He has decided to take a huge chance to prove that even though he might be 80 something he is still capable. He began that with a whole 5 minute talk on tv whilst the Dems are claiming that they are going to put on a really impressive run for the money. The problem is getting very simple. They are doing a whole lot more claiming than doing. Its seriously disgusting. Not only that but we are also being told that when he does come out its not exactly great. Again, basically, he has a group that is all for him and that group seems to be fewer and fewer but, for the Dems its something else. To me, it seems as if the Dems have decided that the claims are the solution - its all very strange.

I have been whining and bitching about Biden doing a lousy job of running for president for a long time now. Nobody, I suspect, has disagreed all that much. Incidentally, when I refer to 'Dems' its not all Democrats but the party itself which is the waste of time. I am not sure who they are or why they are behaving so poorly but they have been at it for a very long time and I remain sick and tired of them. I will vote for Biden, but only because its not Trump. I suspect many feel the same way.

The time for the convention is coming closer now. Its the very last shot we are going to get and then its Biden against Trump and, apparently, its not a likely win for the Democrats against a genuine lunatic . We all know this, hell Biden knows it! Hopefully, those at the convention can actually have a visit with Biden and explain, exactly, what he is gambling on. Its a LOT more than just an election as, I believe, this one determines the state of the nation more than any simple election we are used to, and it scares the hell out of me.

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