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When Trump loses again in a few weeks, he will run for POTUS to keep his convictions at bay and to say the DoJ is weaponized against him. The grift will continue.

I started, and then lost, this. I am going to try again;

My problem:

This is my thought on Trump and the fact that he actually might win the election which scares the crap out of me and also makes, absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. It also makes me wonder about the health of the brains of a large portion of the American Voting Pulbic. Our TV media spent something like 17/18 years presenting Trump as a supreme business man, all man, smart, cagey, and entertaining (I think they created somebody who really didn't exist). As far as I can tell, from both the TV and speaking to some who are supporting Trump I believe that the supporters are quite aware of Trump, his failures, his crimes, etc. One would think, that if that was true they would NOT be supporting yet they are. When I started this quest I thought, perhaps, that all supporters where just ignorant. That is simply not true! The fact is that if something they think is bad is said they have excuses. Some are: "He is just kidding", "He is making a point and doesn't really mean it" , "You are missing his point!", "Its his way", You don't understand", etc. (in other words they have an excuse for virtually ANYTHING that might be bad or strange). I think the thing that bothers me the most is that Trump supporters have either forgotten just how screwed up his presidency was or they have actually removed all memory of that one. I remember, at the time, that there was something over 150 historians, for instance, that said that the Trump presidency was, flat out, the worst presidency the the history of the United states! So, in my thought that there must be the truth out there I offer (I am assuming that these are all true and real and what I do remember):
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/historians-voted-trump-worst-president-ever/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Donald_Trump
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+was+a+bad+businessman&t=newext&atb=v453-2&ia=web
https://people.com/donald-trump-every-criminal-charge-explained-7567024

Anyway, when one considers all of the above it becomes pretty clear, something really bad and terrible has happened to the citizens of the United States and, for whatever, it simply makes no sense as far as I can tell. Are the Trump supporters, a substantial part of the American voting public Crazy? Sick? Ignorant? or am I one, or more, of the same? This is serious! I have been in this condition for most of the time because this one is a real problem with me. I am just wondering if anybody else has a problem or they have come to believing ......? If you have a solution I would REALLY like to know!!!!

It also makes one wonder. Is this why we have so much gun killing, and children gun killing? Out of control teen-agers, etc. Is this why so many states are making laws against what people have done for years, etc? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

When one peels back all the rationalizations and all the defenses of Trump given by MAGA-heads, there is only one conclusion, it's the obvious bigotry which appeals to MAGA and drives their support for Trump.

Consider this ... every Republican who ran for president had the same policy agenda as Trump, and yet none of them survived the primaries. Why? Because they didn't either subtlety or outright make it known bigotry drives the Republican BASE. Gov DaSantis, in my opinion had the best shot since he already had weaponized the state against everything MAGA hates, which should have been very appealing to these bigots but it wasn't. Why? Because he wouldn't outright say it. He kept hedging the reasoning in legalese. All he had to do was say it loud and proud and I think he may have won. In my estimation he would be a better choice than Trump since Da Santis would at least not destroy Democracy, but would try and use it to implement a MAGA agenda.

It's sad so many would sacrifice Democracy to get a political result they want. As every high profile Republican/conservative commentator has said in the last 20 years ... they just can't sell their product.

It appears when Trump said he and Rep Johnson have a secret to be revealed following the election, I as well as many pundits immediately concluded they have conspired to steal the election in the House. First will be objections to certifications, second chaos and indecision, third SC will rule the House shall decide .... Trump will be next occupant of WH

100% if it gets to either SC or the House

get your knee pads out .... all hail Savior of America!!!!

and he can go frak himself ... know me as rapace

Well It dawned on me why Trump keeps saying his rallies are festivals of love ... the crowds adore him ... they idolize him .... they adulate him ... or to say another way .... they love him. Yet Trump's hate filled rallies are festivals of the MAGA loving Trump and his audacity to give a voice to their bigotry and hatred of other Americans.

How can this guy still be in the race?

Why Rwingers think that Trump is winning the race


Trump isn't winning the race. It's all a lle and the polls are in on the lie. Us decent folks have been correct all along and our gut instincts told us not to believe what we were being told. We are correct: TRUMP WILL LOSE NEXT WEEK.

Rick, RCP is a good site to get nationally recognized polls, no push polls, but polling firms and organizations that has been doing polling for 40-50 years. Remember all these polls have a MOE on average of plus or minus 3 points.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...mp-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west

538 is another good site who uses modeling, weighting the polls based on the current indicators and adjusting for past polling biases. But 538 also uses reputable national polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/

The history of both these sites is the final results have almost always been within the MOE. Some folks don’t believe in polls, I take them as being accurate once the MOE is taken into consideration. What are the polls telling us today, using your tie with a MOE of plus or minus 3 points, that indicates that either Trump or Harris may be ahead by 3 points, behind by 3 points or somewhere in-between. 538 has Harris up by 1.4 points, she could be leading by as much as 4.4 points or behind by 1.6. Always take the MOE into consideration. Not just the base number given.

As for flooding the polls, these two sites have been using the same polls, the same polling firms for decades. No push or flash polls. But take them for what they’re worth. A snapshot of where things stand today. Actually, where things stood a day or two prior to publication of the poll. It usually takes 3 days to do the polling, a day to compile, followed by releasing of the poll.

The polls are irrelevant this cycle.

Only two scenarios exist. First Trump wins outright. Second, Trump loses vote count.

Should the second be the case there will be a large litigation machine working the courts to overturn results, to get recounts and more recounts, to sue for fraud, irregular/illegal election board regulations, etc, and that is just the beginning. Certification of vote totals is not guaranteed. MAGA led boards will not certify lost counties. The Democrats will need to file suits to rectify. And still it does not clarify the situation. As long as Trump has the election results in court, he will be able to enlist an alternate slate of electors, legally, in wait of the Congressional certification count. Of course it could be with all these ultra -conservative courts Trump appointed, they may throw the votes out for Trump i.e. the SC has already revealed their intentions. At this time Trump could win. So if Trump still has not won the election through the courts, the denouement will take place at the Congressional certification. At that time objections will be entered, and presumably Spkr Johnson will guide the process in favor of Trump or will respond with chaos. If it becomes chaos, Spkr Johnson will appeal to the SC to tell Congress what to do and how to do it. SC will then direct Johnson to select the future president in a House vote. Republicans have a majority states represented .... ergo Trump will be president.

So why is anyone paying attention to polling? What everyone should be watching is the ongoing publicly visible theft of Democracy. Is there anyone at this point in time who will continue to argue it can't happen in America? I'm not sure there are enough people left in the Republican Party who have the integrity to put country above party, while Spkr Johnson initiates Trump's plan to overthrow the government in a Congressional coup.

rporter314 I hope you are wrong about everything, but I can see it happening just like you say.

I think the only thing that can possibly save us will be if Harris gets at least 80% of the popular vote. Then we stand a chance. There has to be such a landslide that cheating could not be a question!

Sorry but I don't think you understand MAGA and Trump. If God came down and declared VP Harris winner, Trump would say God is Satan and Trump is the winner .... and the MAGA crowds would go wild ... bow down and praise Trump the Savior. These folks are truly delusional, so yes they would question everything and the machinery to question every detail of the election has already started. If someone turned left instead of right .... yep code for Harris ballot stuffing ... someone waves their hands ... yep it's a signal to start the steal .... room temperature changes ... yep Chinese flipping votes ... traffic accident outside polling station ... yep a distraction to wheel in boxes of Harris ballots .... etc

and of course my fav ... the wind told me Dems were stealing an election

the infrastructure is in place but I still wonder ... some of these delusional folks believe Trump is still in charge of the military ... what if he calls on the military to round up Pres Biden, VP Harris, Walz, and Democrat leadership ... what would stop rogue elements of the military following those "orders"? Remember Flynn was at one time a general and I am sure he had a cadre of fellow travelers while in the army ... so there are rogue players on the field. Not only that but Flynn has even talked of civil war.

How far they will go? I just don't know nor can I fathom the possibilities. What I do "know" is Democracy will be dead for a long time if or when Trump succeeds.