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He has begun the process by making all manner of nonsensical arguments to support Trump's nonsense and by alluding to defiance of courts which derail Trump's "illegal" EO's. Now all he has to do is begin a campaign of using the same racist tropes Trump uses.

Gov DaSantis is an example of someone who has somewhat successfully weaponized government in support of MAGA ideology and despite his lack of charisma, I believe had he simply used the same tropes Trump uses, he would have been in a much better political position ... perhaps even winning presidential candidacy.

The driving animus of MAGA is bigotry .... he who knows, understands , and uses the language thereof will be successful.

If the shutdown occurs, there will be a ton of media attention given it. One party or the other will be blamed. Doom and gloom will prevail. Whichever party is blamed, there will be a lot of talk about that blamed party never recovering. Regardless, keep in mind most Americans have very short memories. In previous shutdowns, around two weeks to a month, it was like the shut down never occurred. Folks have moved on to other things, issues, events, happenings. Within a month the shutdown will be ancient history to most, forgotten.

It will be worth the try if it brings some attention to Trump and his doings from those who aren’t paying any attention now. But then again, those not paying attention now will be among the first to forget.

At this point, the next election is two-years out and voters have VERY short memories. Dems need to muck up Trump's plans as much as possible.

R-voters already hate Dems anyway. I say go for it.

It's not the R-voters that I'm thinking about, it the I's! The I's are the only chance for Dems to take back our constitution in 2026.

You guys are so optimistic .... or delusional (still hanging on to the notion we still live in a non-Trump universe)

why would you think or believe there will another free and fair election? These gangster have a death grip on power ... what makes you think or believe they would willingly give it up? They are already calling on Trump to defy the courts ... so why would they want to have a open election?

Independents have been all over the place, they swing wildly between parties. Harris did win the independent vote last year 49-46 over Trump. That wasn’t enough to over come the huge drop in democratic voters that didn’t show up at the polls. That 3-point margin was far below Biden’s winning of the independent in 2020 by a 54-41 margin or by 13 points. Democratic voters in 2020 made up 37% of those who voted vs. only 31% in 2024. In 2016 independents went for Trump 46-42 over Clinton with 6% voting third party against both major party candidates. This recent history or the independent vote.

2000 independents voted for G.W. Bush 47-46 over Gore; independents voted for Republican congressional candidates 49-47 over Democratic congressional candidates.

2002 independents voted for Republican congressional candidates 51-45 over Democratic congressional candidates.

2004 independents voted for Kerry by a 49-48 margin over G.W. Bush. Independents voted for Republican congressional candidates by a 50-46 margin over Democratic congressional candidates.

2006 independents voted Democratic by a margin of 57-39 over Republicans with 4% voting third party.

2008 independents voted for Obama by a 52-44 margin over McCain. Independents voted 52-45 for Democratic congressional candidates.

2010 independents voted 56-37 Republican over Democrat with 7% voting third party.

2012 independents voted for Romney by a 51-48 margin. Independents voted 50-49 for Republican congressional candidates.

2014 independents voted 54-42 for Republican congressional candidates.

2016 Independents voted for Trump 46-42 with 12% voting third party. In congressional election independents voted Republican 51-47.

2018 Independents voted for the Democratic congressional candidates by a 54-44 margin with 4% voting third party.

2020 Independents voted for Biden 54-41 with 5% voting third party. In Congressional elections independents voted Democratic 49-48.

2022 Independents voted for Democratic congressional candidates by a 49-47 margin.

2024 independents voted for Harris 49-46 with 5% voting third party. Independents voted democratic in the congressional elections 49-48.

Notice how wildly independents can swing. Presidential, going for Obama by 8 points to going for Romney by 3, then Trump by 4, to Biden by 13 and finally to Harris by 3. Midterms experience much wider swings. The big swings from an 18-point democratic advantage in 2006 to a 19-point republican advantage in 2010. A 12-point GOP advantage in 2014 to a 10-point democratic edge in 2018 shrinking to a 2-point democratic edge in 2022.

Independents can be summed up using generalities, if things are going good, they’ll vote for the incumbent or party in power. If they deem things are going bad, they’ll vote for the challenger or the party out of power.

I am not convinced that the Democrats could actually even win a current election. Today, for the first time in weeks, I actually saw a Democratic congressman actually on TV! Perhaps that might signal that they are actually going to come out of hiding. That being said its going to take them a long, long time to get moving again. Whilst that is happening Trump and friends will continue to shut it all down. By that time they will have also installed a pile of Magas in places of remaining power. So far its the judges trying to hold it together and one wonders how well that is going to be over time. We can snort and yell but we need a fighting Democratic party and, as far as I can tell, that hasn't happened yet.

I wish us all good luck.............

Pretty soon you will not be allowed to see ANY Democrats on TV.
Think about who owns and controls MSM television news in this country and has for decades.
It's NOT "the liberals".

Ahhh yes, the particular Dems who (A) remained lofty in their principles or (B) were pouty because Biden wasn't perfect and neither was Harris, or finally (C) the Dems in Name Only who really wanted to keep on "teaching America a lesson" and the (D) lazy and complacent who didn't think it would matter.