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That’s where we differ rporter. I think it is important what the people believe or think as it’s their vote that decides who our elected officials/leaders will be. I would say most Americans view democracy as threaten. It’s by who or what is threatening democracy where they differ. Back when the election last year was between Biden and Trump, March of last year which I posted on this site. 34% of all Americans viewed Trump as the threat, 33% viewed Biden as the threat, 20% said both were a threat to democracy with only 13% stating neither was a threat. That’s a very high 87% of all Americans viewing our democracy is threaten, but by who is where they differ.

This is more recent, 28 October, just prior to the election which deals with both Harris and Trump, not Biden.

Majority of US voters say democracy is under threat but are split on who to blame, poll shows

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/28/election-democracy-poll

Personally, I view Trump as the threat, his MAGA faction in particularly. But being a political realist, I realize it how all Americans view the threat, who is the threat as it is all Americans who decide who are leaders will be and how our government is run. Knowing and realizing what all Americans are thinking, feeling, believing, if one knows that one can come up with a strategy to either counter act their thoughts and believes or reinforce their thoughts and believes depending on what their thoughts and believes are, their perception of what is going on. Locking oneself in a closest ignoring their believes and perceptions will do nothing to change their believes and perceptions.

A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. -John Steinbeck, novelist, Nobel laureate (27 Feb 1902-1968)

so what you're saying is we should take a poll of paranoid schizophrenics who suffer from delusions to make our decision on who should run the country. Great.

The reason your poll is no good, is MAGA views Trump as son of God, doing the work of God or sent by God. All of course delusional. So when you would do a poll of these folks you would have gotten a 100% Trump is saving Democracy. Just how valid do you think that poll would be?

So point out to these same people how Trump is destroying Democracy and their response would be 1. they don't believe it (he is son of God etc), 2. they don't care. The net result of a subsequent poll would reveal the same results. 100% saving Democracy.

So how can you think your poll would have valid results. A legitimate poll of non-delusional folks would have far different results. I would bet some 80% would view Trump as a threat to Democracy, which has been validated by his actions.

Who are the non-delusional folks? Are they only the ones that hold the same views you do? MAGA only makes up approximately a quarter of the electorate. Yet Trump came within two-tenths of a point of garnering 50% of the vote. Which means half of the votes Trump received were from non-MAGA voters.

Now why would non-MAGA voters vote for Trump? Perhaps they were part of the 57% who thought Biden and company had done a lousy job of governing and wanted someone else in charge. Of course, you probably classify 57% of all Americans who thought Biden and company did a bad job of governing delusional. Back on election day only 27% of all Americans thought Biden had this country headed in the right direction, 63% in the wrong direction. I suppose those 63% are also delusional.

Harris would have won if more people thought Biden and company had done a good job. The reason presidents like Reagan, Bill Clinton, G.W. Bush, Obama was at the time for their reelection, more Americans thought they had done a good job at governing than thought they hadn’t. In a democracy, it what all people think, believe, feel, not just a certain segment or political party. Isn’t protecting democracy giving everyone a voice, a say whether or not we agree with the results they give us. Which includes in our society, republicans, independents, democrats, MAGA, Trumpers, anti-Trumpers, the delusional and non-delusional.

I don’t blame the voters for Trump. If anything it was the failure of the Biden administration to address, bring under control, to solve the hot issues, the two most important issues of rising prices, inflation, illegal immigration to most Americans or a majority of Americans satisfaction.

You really going with that.

It is implicit in my comment ... non-delusional folks i.e. not MAGA. I explained what MAGA says i.e. Trump is son of God, he was sent by God he is doing God's work, he is Savior of America. Now if you believe or think MAGA are not delusional, make your argument.

I stated I believed about 80% of non-delusional folks would figure it out. Let's do some arithmetic. If 25% (using your number) are excluded, it leaves 75%. I said 80%, so we have, estimating because I don't think it's necessary to be exact in this case, about 56% of total population, which is about half which is what the polls show. At 75% we are even closer.

Now you may want to argue that some of the non-MAGA may be delusional as well and shouldn't be counted. You can argue that but let me point out the difference. The possible delusional non-MAGA recognize what it means to say Trump is a threat to Democracy because of his actions. MAGA ignores his actions as a threat or can't recognize them as a threat.

Again I type it, how could anything be more important than the loss of liberty? Trump is not just a threat to Democracy, he is in the process of dismantling our Democracy. Price of eggs ... who gives a frak .... Democracy is dead

And that was that. The president is either rapidly descending into dementia or is one of the biggest sadist in history - a person who, because of personal animus towards a world leader for not helping him tar-and-feather a political opponent, destroys the alliances the United States have led for over 80 years and throws the might of the US behind Russia, North Korea, and Iran.

MAGA calls that saving American Democracy.

I think I have mentioned this before but I am going to do it again. Mr. Trump has been a failure throughout his life. Before he ever messed with politics he had a number of different businesses. I could list them bit they are not a secret if you simply send "trump failures" you will get several lists with no problem. My point is pretty simple. The mail fails, everything he touches turns to mud for him and now he is doing, exactly, what he has done before but this time the failure is going to be the United States of America. In this effort he has a great number of people helping, there are the White Christians, Idiots in love, pissed off experts in things national, etc, etc. etc. Then there is his very best friend, Elong Musk, the richest man in the world, a Canadian and guy who seems to kinda being running things. The people who have been put in charge of the United States of American are, for the most part, people who want to tear it all down.

What I am pointing out is that Mr. Trump is doing what he has always done. He has failed and his claims to be fixing the nation is just plain baloney. He is trying, hard, to destroy our nation.

Now this gets better. He runs the Republican political party. Apparently everybody there do what they are told by Mr Trump or he gets angry with them and they go down. In other words, any politicians, who claim to be helping and running the United States are actually working to take it all down as well. Another little problem is the Democratic party. There are a lot of people who are Democrats and there are many serving the nation. The problem is that, unlike the Republicans, they have no plan, no message, etc. They all have, I think good thoughts and good intentions but they are simply not together to save the nation. When Trump was president the first time and left 150 university historists said that he was the worst president in the entire life of the United States of America. It would appear that was easily ignored by the American Voting Public.

So, we currently have two basic organizations. One determined to destroy the United States of America, led by a professional loser, and one that has all sorts of good intentions but no real direction or apparent leadership. I would prefer that the United States remains. I have no idea what I can do to help the Democrats. I even think that lots of them know what their problem is it just seems that they can't get together.

Anyway, this is my really miserable thoughts on what is going on. My hope is that the Dems can get together, stop screwing around and start doing their jobs. Hopefully, someplace in the nation there is somebody, or a group, that understand the problem and will fix it.

I sincerely, hope I am flat out wrong and wish everybody luck..............

Should also mention that I am 90 years old and not even a millionaire and live on my social security which Mr. Trump wants to give to billionaires. (thought I would explain why I am so damned whiny)

Today was the day when the music died.


R.I.P. Democracy

Absolutly!

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