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This latter half, the non-MAGA half who voted for Trump, was their vote actually for Trump or against Biden, his administration which Harris as VP was part of and the democrats for how they governed the last four years? A situation where any challenger to the incumbent would have done. We’re talking about a sitting president with a 39% overall job approval, 57% disapproval. A sitting president whose handling of the economy was 39% approve/60% disapprove, immigration 33% approval, 65% disapproval, inflation at 34% approval, 64% disapproval. This is what that latter half, the non-MAGA half voted against, their vote wasn’t for Trump in that they wanted Trump to win, they just wanted the democrats, Biden and Harris gone. Trump just happened to be the challenger to the sitting administration.

You’re correct rporter, this wasn’t a normal election. The distasted and dislike of Trump was still present. Given Biden and company’s numbers, last years election should have been a cake walk for the republicans, a landslide which it wasn’t. There’s been 8 presidential election since the end of WWII where the sitting president had an overall job approval of below 50%. The sitting president or the sitting president’s replacement lost all 8 elections. That’s history. Carter 1980 and Biden last year had almost identical numbers. Trump won by 1.5 points to Reagan’s 11-point win in the popular vote. Reagan margin probably would have close to 15 points if Anderson hadn’t garnered 6% of the vote. Reagan carried 44 states, Trump 31, Reagan won the electoral college, 489-49, Trump won 312-226. The republicans in 1980 gained 35 house seats, the republicans lost two house seats last year, the GOP gained 12 senate seats in 1980 to 4 for the republicans last year.

Although Trump won, he prevented a landslide win for the republicans as their nominee. Trump made last year’s election a very close election when historical numbers state that election should have been a wipeout for the GOP as Reagan and the Republicans did to Jimmy Carter and the democrats in 1980. Trump benefited from our two-party system. When a voter is totally dissatisfied with the party/candidate in power, there’s no choice but to vote for the other party/candidate even if the voter doesn’t want that other party/candidate in power. There’s no viable third choice for the voters to vote against both candidates/parties. They’re left with voting for the candidate/party they want to lose the least.

Interesting poll taken on 29 Oct 2024, prefer Harris over Trump 39%, prefer Trump over Harris 40%, prefer both equally 20%. Now if you take prefer both equally to also mean you prefer neither one, that poll makes more sense as there was no way to vote against either one other than staying home. The two-party system. Which voter turnout dropped from 63% in 2020 down to 59% in 2024. 3 million less voters in 2024 than in 2020 although those eligible to vote increased by 7 million.

However, the seeds for a banner midterm for the democrats are already sown, give them time to sprout.

I fear we won't have a true and fair election next year. We might be in a full blown dictatorship by then!

For me, its all VERY strange. When I watch the TV all they can talk about is how, when Republicans goto meeting, they get chewed on and screamed at. The suggestion is that the Republicans are loosing a bit. Then the numbers come in and that is not really the state of things. Trump, however, is doing exactly what he did when he was the worst president the United States had ever had. Last night, and today, I listened and watch TV and everybody seems to be talking about how trump is doing, exactly, what he did the first time he was president - basically, he took a pretty good economy and screwed it up! One thing you can count on, when its Trump - he screws it up. His history proves that means he screws up EVERYTHING! The Difference, this time, is that he has a large group of supporters who love, believe, and adore Mr Trump. I was talking to a lady, yesterday, who came home (she doesn't live here) to visit and found that her father and mother are part of maga bigtime. She said she brought facts about what Trump said and what the truth was - they ran her out of the house for even suggesting any such thing. Lest we forget - these people are NEVER going to change their Trump belief, no matter what Trump does.

Everybody I know, who do not like Trump, are just as puzzled as the lady whose family are serious maga folk. they are, as explained, not even half of those who vote but then we have the rest. One would think they might understand and not vote Trump/Republican. Again and again this too has been tested and it just makes no sense!! (I think) Our problems, from the beginning, is that we have a voting public which is incredibly ignorant, haven't a clue, do not give a damn (remember, something like 20% of the Democrats didn't even vote last time around!!) and are too busy to even care. I have wondered, a lot, how and why such a thing has happened. I have been told, for instance, that high schools are no longer teaching students about their own government. I asked about this and Port Angeles said that have always done that. Kind makes one wonder.

Anyway, we currently have a Democratic party which is almost trying. We have a public voting public which, obviously, has serious mental problems. I think it started with voting in a real criminal, with a real bad record which was simply ignored by a majority, a small one but still a majority. That group didn't do it just once but TWO times! This, even when he was considered, after his first time, as the worst president in United States history! i do not get it. Perhaps the Republican side understands why and how they have won and the Democratic side are like an old lady who knows everything when she knows nothing. I still don't get it!

I have hoped to see the Democrats at least win available votes for congressional candidates are current. That is going on right now. We will see but, well, you all know.

I'm sorry - I just do not get it!!

Trump had that same large group who loved and supported him during his first term. Trump’s actions led to 42 seat gain in the house in the midterms and a loss to Biden in 2020. In the 2018 midterms, 8% of those who voted for Trump in 2016 voted democratic. 7% of those who voted for Trump in 2016 voted for Biden in 2020. But in 2024, 5% of those who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump while 4% of those who voted for Trump in 2020 voted for Harris. The big difference wasn’t so much in voters who switched, it was the drop in the percentage of democratic voters who went to the polls. From 37% among those who voted in 2020 down to 31% while republicans remained at 35% of those who voted in each election.

I, unlike most of you if not all, I don’t blame those who voted for Trump. I blame the democratic voters of 2016 and 2020 who stayed home in 2024. Democratic voters made up 31% of those who voted, Harris received 95% of them. Democratic voters made up 37% of those who voted in 2020, Biden received 94% of them. I’m still trying to figure out why those previous democratic voters stayed home in 2024 which is hard to do since there are no exit polls of those who didn’t vote. Only theories advanced by the political pundits and prognosticators. Although usually the smaller of the two major parties, the republicans have a better history of getting their folks to the polls than the democrats. Which was definitely the case last year.

Here is one I just heard today. Amy Coney Barrett, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court has not been voting the Trump way. I have been told that the white christians are experiencing a brake of sorts which agrees with how she has been currently voting. The White christians is a major part of the Trump magas I think. This may REALLY shake things up a bit.

Just thought I might mention it.............

Yeah ... I don't think you are understanding what I am typing.

BT (before Trump) analysts had a certain set of criteria which they used to make sense of what happened politically. Thus they could compare results and derive some reasonable explanations for those results.

How that would appear is there was a standard set of criteria {A, B, C, ..., Z} which when combined in certain well described rules would result in numbers or some other result. I'll use © to indicate some political operation to analyze. Thus BT we would have, regardless of who, what, or the time, A © B => Ra (Result a). Analysts could compare this result with others from other years to try and understand what happened. This is the standard garden variety scheme which everyone is using.

What I am saying is using the same set of criteria (it shouldn't change because times or people have changed) we may be getting different results. Thus BT analysts would ask the question what about A © G © S =>Rz. I am saying asking the same question AT, what about A © G © S =>Rx, thus one would not be able to compare results. The difference is the BT operator "©" has morphed AT into a different operator, "®". So despite the fact both returned numbers we can't make valid comparisons until we understand how © -> ®.

So when I typed 49% (AT) may be 80% (BT), it is because the operators have changed, and until the "new" operator is understood, all results are invalid. How I know there is a new operator should be obvious ... BT no one with the criminal record Trump has would have even been considered for any elected office, and look now .... he nominated sexual predators, TV personalities, as well as disqualifying sycophants, and no one says a word. We live in a different world AT, it requires a new lens to understand it.

Unfortunately, the so-called victory for law and order in the Supreme Court’s USAID case was nothing of the sort. They simply ruled that the US had to pay for work already completed. Then they said the the administration can use whatever criteria they wish when adjudicating whether the invoices are valid or not.

The Supremes did not deny Trump the right to arbitrarily ignore federal law and cancel any spending he wishes despite what the Congress has enacted.

Trump 2.0 = Purposeful sabotage and destabilizing of America and its society. Putin is pleased.