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It's even worse. Trumpists in the House are now openly advocating Trump should have control of appropriations, which is tantamount to a declaration Congress is a waste, abuse, and a fraud of taxpayer money.

Constitution? what is that?

If the Democrats are stupid enough to vote for the continuing resolution because they are worried about being blamed for a government shutdown, then they will abdicate what little leverage they have and remove any reason for anyone to ever vote for them again.

The messaging shouldn’t be hard:

* This will take healthcare away from millions of seniors and children and throw more children into homelessness and hunger all in order for Musk to pay even less in taxes than you do.

* This isn’t a budget. How about the Republicans actually present a budget under standard procedure instead of endless stop-gap measures? Do your job!

* If the Republicans want to pass this then they should do it with their own votes. There is nothing in the continuing resolution that addresses the concerns of our voters, regular Americans. If they want our votes then they need to address the concerns of everyday Americans and not billionaire oligarchs.

* Go ahead and nuke the filibuster. It has been abused beyond any recognition for the last 15 years. It’s time it was tossed in the dung heap and majoritarian rule was actually established. Then there might be real accountability when the majority can enact their policy and get to face their constituents without the excuse that they didn’t deliver what they promised because of the mean old filibuster.

Imagine a world where politicians enacted their policies and then faced the consequences of such policies. Radical!

One of the main things Trump is doing is Tariffs. As far as I can tell a Tariff is a thing that is specific and is a tax on stuff being imported into the United States. His plan is to raise the prices so that nobody buys that stuff and its possible for companies, in the United States should be making whatever thereby making more jobs available.

The other day tv showed Somebody thanking Trump for doing that (for something to do with metals) because it will help his business. I am assuming that meant that with the Tariff in place the metal worker will do better because he will now be able to sell his profit. In other words, Trump is raising a price so people can buy a product that another person/contry could produce the same item cheaper (even after importation). This is kinda interesting in that he is also is promising everybody that things are going to be cheaper than they are now. Now he is razing prices, for some things, for something like 200%

I suspect that I am missing something lhere. Wonder if anybody can set me straight.

It is strange and I haven't read anyone who will say what I am about to type. The prices of some US made goods is X and some foreign countries export the same item for X-20 (or whatever). Some US consumers will buy the foreign product cheaper than the US product. Now when tariffs are enacted, the price of the foreign goods increase to a price greater than X-20. Presumably the US consumer will buy the US product since it has become cheaper. In doing so the US consumer will be taxed for the difference he was paying for the price he is now paying anyway. In either case the US consumer has seen a tax on goods.

The forward thinking is that at some point, US manufacturers will increase production and the US products will become cheaper. Unfortunately for this time in history, the US has moved past a manufacturing phase in capitalism, and there is no interest by enough companies to re-enter heavy manufacturing, so it won't do much good.

Bottom line is the US consumer WILL pay more ... because of flawed thinking by a nitwit who probably failed to attend economics classes at Wharton. Of course all of his brain dead economic advisers are boot licking sycophants, who will simply regurgitate what the boss says in order to keep their position of power.

Another thing about tariffs is that history has shown that manufacturers in the US will raise their prices to match the tariff. Manufacturers ask, why should the government get that money instead of the manufacturer? Sure the manufacturer might lose some sales, but they will lose sales anyway when they increase their prices to pay for the tariffs. So, instead of the consumer paying the government (through product price increases) for the tariff, we are paying for the manufacturer to make a better profit. Consumers (you and I) lose every way you look at it. Good for manufacturers, bad for us!

I have mixed feelings on the CR. It was a lose-lose situation for the democrats and for our democracy!

I originally wanted to see a protest against what MAGA has been doing to our country and do a shutdown. The GOP wants to not be bipartisan and run things only their way, then make them run it alone! But then I heard Schumer's reasonings. I understand what Schumer was saying. If the government shut down, the republicans would have been in no hurry to get it reopened - no off ramp. Once people started missing their SS payments there would have been a huge hatred towards the democrats. I hate to say it, but I think democrats are our only hope for making it out of the mess we're in. Democrats need to take control of at lease one of the houses in 2026! They have to or we will not be getting out of this mess for decades! The more people suffer from a shutdown, the more the republicans would have benefited.

Also, when in shutdown, they could have deemed almost all federal employees "non-essential" and gotten rid of them all! That would have been catastrophic to the country. That might be hyperbolic, but who knows how far Trump would have taken it? At least, as devastating as how MAGA is going about it, employees have a legal path they can follow. I doubt that there is a legal path they could take during a shutdown.

I was thinking maybe have a short term CR for 60 days and during that time, congress could have made a new bipartisan budget.

Yes Trumpists won this battle and perhaps the war to stem Trump from running completely roughshod over the residual branches of power. My preference was for Democrats to vote against the CR, shut the government down, and bring House Trumpists back to negotiate. However, Trumpists had the winning hand, and by that I mean Rep Johnson (read that to mean Trump) extorted recalcitrant House members to vote for the resolution. This means the Democrats had no leverage with which to negotiate. Under a normal occupant of the WH, this would have worked. But when we have mad King Donald in control of MAGA, it becomes easy to extort elected officials, who lust for power, with expulsion. The Democrats had a losing hand and may continue to have a six high hand with no matching suits.

As for Democracy ... well .... Trump has not quite completed his mission, but continues to trample on the Constitution ... and MAGA loves it. Pundits keep saying Trump is losing support ... well not quite true. He may be losing some non-MAGA voters who selected him to bring grocery prices down, but not MAGA. But you type ... townhalls!!! ... really. After they vent their dissatisfaction with their elected representative, they will continue to support Trump. They will use pretzel logic to rationalize and justify their support for Trump. Like so many interviews I have seen with Trump supporters (and from personal experience), when asked the question, is there anything Trump could do which would force them not to support Trump, the answer is always .... no ... always.

For the time being the lower courts are holding the line, however Trump has already begun a campaign of demonization of the courts, himself, and his allies, including spokesperson Leavitt. There are over 100 cases relating to Trump;s monarchical fiats, which are all destined to wind up in the SC. I am not convinced the Trumpist majority will falter. Hard right conservatives have been working on destroying the federal government for many years. They now have a willing idiot at the helm, easy to manipulate, to do the job. The SC will be more than willing to implement ultraconservative legal views into their opinions. These opinions will only be beneficial to not only encouraging Trump to act as king, but will effectively destroy Democracy. Now if you believe retaking Congress will change it, perhaps you should take a look at the court. These folks are locked in for a generation, and Trump will have the opportunity to appoint even crazier justices should the oldest retire. Now if you're hoping the SC judges against Trump, well, suppose they do. At some point narcissism will emerge and as king, Trump will ignore the courts, after all they are degenerate lunatics.

Can't happen in America ... I think someone said while on the Titanic after struck by iceberg ... not going to sink

A couple of things here. First, If the Democrats didn't do what they did then our ENTIRE government would be shut down. This also means that Trump would just keep on going and never turn it on again. He is capable of that one.

The part I really do not understand is why are the Republicans in congress fear Trumps threat to put somebody up against him/her. The simple fact seems to be that there are now a lot more republicans starting to wonder what the House and Senate were sent to do given that they are doing NOTHING!! When there are gatherings this seems to be the casel.

The third thing is Trump, and his history. You can actually go onto google and ask "show me the list of Trump failures" and you will get his history. Now, however, he is working his magic on the United States of America. As far as I can tell he is working REALLY hard to screw that one up tool. The only question is whether the Democrats can get themselves somebody to lead them. I have been wondering what would happen if Kamala Harris has the backbone to say; "I lost the last election to Trump by 1.50% The reason I lost is because 20% of the DEMOCRATS did not vote!. I am willing to try and lead the Democratic party. This time, I suspect, all Democrats WILL VOTE! Trump, right now, is not making a lot of friends. Right now, we have no leader, we have no message, we have no plan and we are getting worked over and its got to stop.

Thoughts?