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Our democracy and humanity are falling! And, from what I am seeing, the dems aren't raising much of a stink. No one is! I know dems are not in power but they still have a voice. They need to be shouting to the media outlets about how wrong it is what Trump's administration (might as well call it what it is, Project 2025) is doing to our country! If they are already shouting, I sure am not hearing it!

I think the democrats feel, think by letting Trump be Trump that will eventually turn the masses against him. Harris made that mistake during her campaign, she thought not being Trump was enough to win the election. She was proved wrong. Outside of shouting as you put it, the democrats are in a position where they can’t do anything about Trump. Would shouting help? With the election done and over with, most have turned away from politics onto other things and won’t be paying much attention to politics, Trump in particular until the next election nears. This is just the way it is and has been. You have your 10-15% of political junkies who constantly pay attention and then the rest who pay little to no attention unless something happens that affects them that they don’t like.

Americans, most Americans are notorious to how little they pay attention to politics, the workings of their government. You’d be surprised at how many Americans don’t know who their governor is, who their representative is or who their senators are. Even less know which party controls congress. Four times as many people knew who won last years super bowl than knew who their governor was.

Looking at the number’s election day vs. today. Trump’s job approval vs. the percentage of votes received.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

Trump approval and disapproval numbers almost exactly match those who voted for and against him. 49.2% approve, 49.8% voted for Trump, 47.8% disapprove, 48.3% voted against him or for Harris not counting those who voted against both by casting a ballot for a third-party candidate.

How about those who see Trump either favorably or unfavorably today vs. his vote total from November.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump

47.9% of all Americans have a favorable view of Trump, 49.8% voted for Trump, 48.7% view Trump unfavorably, 48.3% voted for Harris. Not quite as close as is Trump’s job approval/disapproval, but still very close to being about as close a match as one could expect to get.

It's a case of good news/bad news. The bad news is Trump hasn’t lost any support from November to today, after one month in office. The good news; Trump hasn’t gained any new support, he’s almost exactly where he was back on 5 Nov 2024. Everything Trump has done so far, it hasn’t increased or decreased his popularity or overall job approval. We’re just as evenly divided as a nation today when it comes to Trump as we were back on election day.

One can only wonder what Mr. Trump is going to do next. He now has the stock markets seriously going down every day! On top of that Canada is now threatening to shut down the Canadian electricity for 1.5 million North East Americans as well a a bunch of other stuff. Food prices are also going up. Basically he has destroyed a really good economy as well as constantly threatening our neighbors, citizens, etc. I keep on thinking that there is a point that at at least some of his enthused followers turn on their brains.

On the oither hand I also suspect that is simply not going to happen but, perhaps, Democrats might all vote in the next election unless they too have lost their senses. He just keeps on threatening, he threatens EVERYBODY. Europeans, China, Canada, Mexico, Citizens of America, you name it - he is threatening them with this and that.

If he continues I hope everybody has a good stash of food at home and if they have wood fire places they better get some wood when its still out there to get as well. Looks to me as if we are all in the deep stuff. I know that I have considerably less money that I used to have thanks to his cleverness. Betcha I'm not alone on that one either.

I just keep hoping that Perotista have a pro-Democratic report. So far, no matter what the lunatic does nobody changes their mind on who to support. The American Voting Public continues to display their lack of mental capacity. Its actually a little off setting to know that a vast part of America seem to work, very hard, to support a lunatic to their own wrecking.

Mr Trump, the man who has failed at every undertaking is finally proving that personal bankruptcy and destruction of anything touched up to, and including the United States of America goes south and his supporters seem to think its just fine.

One has to wonder...............

I'm not wondering

Trump could cause a zombie apocalypse and MAGA would respond ... praise Trump we are saved ....it is the end times .... thank you savior of America

I have no doubt MAGA are true believers

Trump has finally fallen into the negative on his overall job performance. 47.8% approve, 48.5% disapprove.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

You have the normal party breakdown as we had for Biden and Trump’s first term. The party of the president approving his job at a 90% plus while the party not of the president approving the job the president is doing in single digits. Currently 91% of republicans approve, 7% of democrats approve. Independents who first brought down Trump in 2020 39% approved of the job he done during his first term, 37% of independents approving of the job Biden and company had done. Today independents are giving Trump a 41% overall job approval, 46% disapproval, 13% not sure, undecided, no opinion. The big difference is those who disapproved of Trump at the end of his first term, 57% and disapproved of Biden at 59%. Of course, independents had 4 years to decide on Trump and Biden during Trump’s first term and Biden’s presidency. They only had less than two months with Trump’s second term. How independents view Trump in his second term is much more important than how either the republicans or the democrats view him. At least when it comes to elections. Independents now make up 43% of the electorate. Call them free agents. Independents made up 39% of the electorate in 2020 and 37% in 2016. Independents have been growing since 2004 when they made up but 30% of the electorate while the two major parties have been shrinking.

I foresee how independents view Trump and his job performance declining to his first term level in a couple of months if not going lower. It just takes time. Which should lead to a banner midterm election for the democrats.

I suspect that, hopefully, there will be a mid-election. If that happens then I pray that the Democrats are ready to go to work. There is not all that much time. They really have to put themselves back together, stop and the fighting of each other, and, hopefully, get some real leadership, a message, and a plan. The next election is, I suspect, either get Dems fixed or Dems just go away. Hopefully, there are going to be a number of Repubicans standing for their jobs that, for over a year, have done nothing, passed nothing (without help from Dems), etc. and, hopefully, short of supporters.

The Last time was during Harris. I personally think that she can come back to help. This time she will not be a vice president and she will be able to speak what she thinks instead of what she is told to do. One would think she has learned a bit in the last couple of years about all of that. No more fairy tales and other delights. She's just got to get tougher. I also suspect there are other members of the Democrats that can lead as well - just have no idea who they are or where they are at. Somebody's gotta raise their hand(s).

The problem with the Dems is not hard to see. One of the things that bothered me, during Biden, is that he increased our manufacturing big-time. I found it all very strange. The TV and the Right too full response and thanks for all that work that Biden did and the Democrats never really even tried to point out who did what. Instead it seemed that they were ashamed of their own president and remained silent. Now many of them want tio do everything and anything that might hurt the Republicans. Right now they are angry of the Dems getting the bill passed to keep government open. They would have then been able to watch what Trump could do when NOTHING would be in his way to do whatever he wanted. No Law, no nothing working. Yah, it would have been interesting and the end of Democracy and the Democrats would have been half of the reason. Yep, the Dems gotta get it together, start giving thought to all their whining and anger, find somebody to be in charge, create a message, and get a plan. Its time for them to sit down and do what, I think, most of them know has to be done.

I think that what needs to be realized was back in 2020, Biden was a safe bet to bet Trump. He wasn’t that many democrats first choice. Most democrats put their first choice on hold as their number one priority was defeating Trump, in fact it was their only priority. Biden had the reputation of being a moderate democrat which was attractive to independents. A group which Biden won 54-41 over Trump. Perhaps Biden’s problem was that he wasn’t the type to seek the limelight. He didn’t toot his own horn so to speak like Trump had done and is doing. He didn’t connect with the people like Obama, Bill Clinton or Reagan did. Biden didn’t have their charisma. He didn’t let the people; the voters know what he was doing to improve their lives or fixing the problems of this nation. No other democrat stepped in to do that either. FYI, independents didn’t totally desert the democrats in 2024, Harris won them 49-46 over Trump. Which normally should have made Harris the winner. It was previous democratic voters that deserted Harris as I pointed out before. I’m still researching in trying to find out why.

The democrats need a leader to step up. It won’t be Schumer who as senate minority leaders, is the highest-ranking democrat in government. Way too many democrats are mad at him. Someone needs to stand up and take the lead, to become the leader. Pelosi might have been that person, but she is no longer Speaker and is too old as is Sanders, Warren and just about all who are well known. The democrats need fresh blood, someone energetic, who speaks their mind, who can unite a fractured party along with getting the democratic message out in a coherent manner to the public. Just being against Trump isn’t enough as the 2024 election proved. Whoever becomes the leader needs to be able to articulate what the democrats stand for and what they’ll do for this country. That was Harris’s problem, she didn’t give the voters a reason to vote for her, she did give them a ton of reasons to vote against Trump. But many voters were looking for a reason to vote for someone, not just against. Perhaps that might be one reason so many previous democratic voters stayed home. More on that later.

In a normal world BT (before Trump) yep yep and yep ... but this is AT territory. First it is not certain as far as I can tell, if there will be a free and fair election in 26. Trump has already invoked emergency presidential powers. What's to keep him from invoking other laws ... the Insurrection Act for instance or declaring a national security exigency and stopping the election. William Pitt and Lord Acton were on to something when they stated ... power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. In Trump's case he was already corrupt; he was simply looking for an excuse to be absolutely corrupt.