Capitol Hill Blue Forums Political Issues Iraq & Afghanistan Bush On Iraq: "Just Be Patient"

That doesn't make it true, though.

As I have said several times this war will end when we withdraw from it. Absent the Occupying forces, there is no Occupation.

How will the war end when it started centuries before Iraq or for that matter the US ever existed? This is a war in Iraq. It is not a war against Iraq.

I don't understand, Senator. If that's the case, what business have we in it?

Because you believe it and the President said it doesn't make it true. Pollsters have found through repeated polls that the prevailing reason people in other countries "hate" the US is not because of our freedoms but because of what the American government does.

Your statement doesn't even make sense from a practical point of view. Consider that there are terrorists groups in all Muslim countries trying to over throw the current governments. Why would Islamists try to overthrow Islamic countries? But you have argued that all countries which practice Sharia are Islamic. So how many ways are you going to use the word Islamic? Now many of those countries have authoritarian governments, so what is it the Islamists don't like about them? Their lack of freedom? Islamists it would appear don't like anything.

Oil is Allah's gift to the Muslim people. Oil is necessary for the American economy to operate. There are people in America who believe it is our God given right to get all the oil we need because we are America. The energy barons apparently don't want to compete with foreign countries for the oil (what happened to all that capitalists BS) but would rather get the American government to go to war to control oil reserves in Iraq as a hedge against the possible fall of SA to Islamists and/or the increases in demand may be rising beyond what other Persian Gulf countries could supply. Those thinkers believe if America does not get the oil, America will become a second/third class country.

Does that make sense?

Clearly we are talking about two different wars, Senator.
And before that it was in . . . ?

And it got to Iraq because . . . ?

The Senator's belief Islamists have been around for 1400 years and therefore are very patient.

I mean I guess I could argue sand has been around for millions of years which preceded the ME and therefore caused all the problems, if we incinerate it it will solve all them. And it's true, honest.

In essence what you are asking is why does Osama bin Laden want to overthrow the government of Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia is one of the most Islamic countries in the world yet it is not Islamic enough for Osama bin Laden. That is why the Islamists want to overthrow Islamic governments. Those governments are not Islamic enough for the Islamists. A government can be Islamic but not Islamist. An Islamist government was the Taliban. Saudi Arabia is an Islamic government.

OBL seeks to overthrow the rule of the Saud family because they do not follow Islamic law, are crooks and harbor the infidel army of the US

from a previous post you said


So are these countries Islamism or not?