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Watch Is God Green?

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No, God is an old white man with a white beard. Jeesh.

dont you mean Jeeshus?

Hmm.. that's actually MY point to you!

As for your quote from John Coleman, I looked him up - I only saw the one quote, no evidence to back him up, no bio info to even state what kind of degree he has, or when, or if he's kept up on the latest science - not to mention that conflating meteorology with climatology is the first mistake. Asking a meteorologist to speculate on climatology, is like asking a geologist to comment on cosmology... sure they are related - but still different fields of expertise. I'm sure that a lot of his knowledge could in fact give him some insight into global climate, as a whole - but it is still one piece of the puzzle - and his study of meteorology may in fact be obscuring his view of the larger issues.

Here's what I think the problem may be - meteorology is a terribly inexact science, primarily because its job (*especially* that of the TV weatherman), is to try to tease out specific conclusions out of a chaotic system. We're getting better at it, but it is not possible to be certain of *anything* beyond the present weather... some generalities can be made (like El Nino/Nina) that are generally true (yet often wrong), but the further out you go, the less likely you are to be correct.

Climatology is nearly the OPPOSITE. It doesn't even try to predict local effects; instead it focuses on the bigger picture. Put a pan of water on a burner and even a physicist won't be able to predict exactly where or when the first bubble will form, but you can predict that it *will* boil at some point.

Incidentally, I did follow a few links from that site - it makes claims that GCC will lead to clearcutting forests, eradicating orangutans and slavery! Wow... exactly the opposite is true! Every environmentalist I know is diametrically opposed to clearcutting (for obvious reasons!) - the part about 'slavery' I think refers to some wacko suggesting we turn off diesel generators and return to human-powered treadles - when in fact nothing could be further from the truth! I understand that Africa is one of the leading users of solar energy, it only makes sense to abandon the archaic conventional power plant and electrical distribution systems where they have not yet been even started. (Cellphones are another good example too).

As for the orangutans, I tried to follow all the links, but it seemed to just be linking back to itself, so I have no idea what that point is.

Oh, and there was something about diverting food production to fuel production - yeah, that's *if* you buy into the "ethanol from corn" lobby... I'm here in Iowa, I know how entrenched that is due to government subsidy of huge corporate ethanol entities... the real future of renewable energy should be concentrated on ethanol from sugar cane, sugar beets or sweet sorghum, which can be produced right on the farm; and biodiesel as well (and no, not from soybeans!). Wind energy and PV systems, again those can be economically used individually, or in larger community-based 'farms' (there actually is some opportunity for the large utilities to make money off those as well, and fortunately we are seeing a lot of progress in that direction).

The sad thing is, if we spent only *half* of what has been spent in Iraq (so far!) on weaning ourselves off the oil teat, we wouldn't be funding the very terrorists we are fighting against with every gallon of petroleum we consume!

"Renewable Energy *is* homeland security"

and as a bonus, helps reduce the likelihood of GCC!

So, is it any wonder how the energy industry is fighting against the renewable energy proponents, tooth and nail - including opposing any action on GCC, any way they can?

Fortunately, that is starting to change.

Thanks, Fermi.

I found it a bit sad that people could feel something was true in their heart, but afraid to speak up about it... and also how blind people can be about things around them everywhere, that they were told so many times but rejected probably due to a perception that political differences made them 'wrong' about everything, until someone they agreed with, politically, gave them "permission" to see...

...or maybe it's just not seeing something right in front of them, until nudged in the right place at the right time by the right person - it happens to the best of us, and not just about religious issues. Although I always try to evaluate the message fairly, no matter who the messenger is, I too sometimes fail.

But, it certainly is gratifying to see people come together and feel good about what they are doing - I liked the newspaper picture of the 'hippie' and the 'evangelical' both hugging the same tree!

The term evangelical has been distorted and co-opted for political purposes. What it encompasses is poorly understood, but generally it includes all Protestant Christian sects that appeared in America during the 1800's as well as all present-day descendants of the colonial era Anabaptists.

You'd find searching about Joseph Farah a much more productive endeavour...