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Who said his facts failed? Actually, I agree with everything Phil said. In previous discussions of the discredited theories of Milton Friedman I pointed out that there is no empirical data to demonstrate it has ever worked. Note, EVER. Tax cuts worked when they were implemented by Pres. Kennedy. They worked when they were implemented by Pres. Reagan.
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So, having a Nobel gives one instant credibility, does it? It sure increased the credibility of Al Gore.
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I would suggest, moreover, that you not use the "kettle is black" argument with regard to fundraising, as the GOP pot is far, far, FAR, blacker. How much money in illegal campaign contributions have Republican candidates had to return? Here's the difference, my friend. Republicans keep them.
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Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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They can't keep what they haven't received. To the best of my knowledge no Republican campaign has received the amount of illegal campaign contributions the Clinton campaigns have. Would you care to name a Republican campaign that has had to return $850,000 in illegal campaign contributions? Sen. Clinton's presidential campaign has and I believe that Pres. Clinton's campaigns had to return a large amount of illegal campaign contributions. Both Pres. Clinton's and Sen. Clinton's got illegal campaign contributions from the same person, Norman Hsu. When they both accept illegal campaign contributions from the same person, a convicted felon, first in 1996 and then again in 2007 it raises questions about their ethics. Or at least it should. No NW, the Democrats pot is much blacker than the Republican kettle.
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Who said his facts failed? Actually, I agree with everything Phil said. In previous discussions of the discredited theories of Milton Friedman I pointed out that there is no empirical data to demonstrate it has ever worked. Note, EVER. Tax cuts worked when they were implemented by Pres. Kennedy. They worked when they were implemented by Pres. Reagan. what is your definition of worked? They increased the defecit to record levels and the economy tanked.
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OK, as a moderator, please return to topic, campaign contributions are not the topic.
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It is interesting to consider what exactly are "Reagan Principles"
One of the most striking things about Reagan was his public presentation savey. As an actor, he knew what to say and how to say it to achieve a desired effect among his audience.
To me, the fundamental Reagan principle is to say what ever is required to achieve the intended public perception. Reagan spoke at great length concerning shrinking government. Yet he was not notably effective in doing that. Just to take a point of comparison... Clinton and the Gingrich congress shrank/controlled welfare, whereas Reagan didn't even present a plan for this. Government spending did not shrink under Reagan, it exploded.
Of course politicians have a long history of deception an obfuscation. But I think Reagan brought true expertise--dare I say professionalism--- to the endeavor.
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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That is because you choose to understand it that way. What Pres. Reagan was doing was to take the idea back from the racists and to return it to what it really means... You've completely ignored my post on page 14 and the words of Bob Herbert''s New York Times OP-ED piece from November 13, 2007 - which laid out in no uncertain terms exactly HOW Ronald Reagan was a hater. Just because one chooses to ignore the evidence of bad behavior of a much admired political figure laid out clearly by said politician's critics - doesn't excuse the denial of the facts. ...and it is the very undeniable facts that Mr. Reagan was a hater is the reason for this thread.
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Note to Senator, there is no evidence that the returned donations were in any way illegal contributions. They were returned only because Hsu collected them, not because they were illegal.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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Sorry, Phil, didn't see your cautionary post. That was the last I intended to say about it anyway.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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