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Senator Clinton may be the most qualified candidate currently running for any party. Sorry, just happens to be true. Who else has the experience and qualifications she has? Not sure I can agree with that, but if it was said about every current candidate, I doubt I'd agree to the statement about any of them. I guess my question, and reason for quoting the statement, is to ask why Senator Clinton might be felt to be the most qualified candidate. What in particular has she done to deserve that bit of lofty recognition? She's been a senator for about eight years now...with what particular accomplishments in that role? She was a presidential first lady for eight...with a wide range of potential, controversy & certainly, sympathy. She was a gubenatorial first lady for several years. And she was a lawyer. In all that, where does the "most qualified to be president" bit come in? What has she done, said or represented consistently, or even correctly when the moment dictated that behavior, that makes her "most qualified" in a way others do not compare? Here's a scary thought. Had Nancy Reagan sought a senator's title & won, would she have been on her way to the WH post-Ron? How about Barbara or Laura Bush? Rosalyn Carter? In what area of qualification does Senator Clinton exceed those of Senator Biden, Governor Richardson, Senator Dodd, Senator Kucinich, Senator McCain, Governor Huckabee, and a host of others running & not? Just wondering. Regardless of the title of the thread, cuz as Doug pointed out, the whole lot of contenders are arrogant cusses deserving of some expletive definition, what are the former president's wife's defining qualifications which are above & beyond all the others?
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Or, as a friend used to say, "and this is news because why?" Referring back to reason number two: because she is a woman.
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In what area of qualification does Senator Clinton exceed those of Senator Biden, Governor Richardson, Senator Dodd, Senator Kucinich, Senator McCain, Governor Huckabee, and a host of others running & not? Exactly right. The big however, however, are the qualifications that have nothing to do with tenure. Those are: personal appeal, leadership skills, political connections, and an unquenchable thirst for power. Among the candidates, I would say that several are lacking in one or more of those categories. Clinton (among others) has them all in spades.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
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so that we may grow with peace in mind.
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Thank you, BC, for bringing that up. I was just beginning to agree with NW, to be swayed toward actually believing she might be the best qualified. Then over oatmeal and coffee I studied my copy of The Nation and it's list of the qualifications of the various candidates from the front runners to those bringing up the rear. It appears to me that those at the rear of the "pack" are quite possibly better qualified. Particularly if you discount Sen. Clintons years as First Lady. While these years should help to give her some useful insight into the office of president that others may not have I'm not sure they make her more qualified.
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Ok....first off, I'm not (necessarily...at ALL) a Hillary Clinton supporter (meaning the jury is still out for me, also meaning I'll vote for Kucinich first go round and then see) but it seems to me BC that you answered your own question. question.. In all that, where does the "most qualified to be president" bit come in? What has she done, said or represented consistently, or even correctly when the moment dictated that behavior, that makes her "most qualified" in a way others do not compare? answer She's been a senator for about eight years now...
She was a presidential first lady for eight...with a wide range of potential, controversy & certainly, sympathy. She was a gubenatorial first lady for several years. And she was a lawyer. Having said all that....the BEST qualified to ME is the one who BEST personifies what I WANT and that is Kucinich.
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I guess what I was after (and by the way, the same questions I am asking of Senator Clinton ought to be asked about the others) was something beyond adjectives and labels. Eight years of Senate seniority? That ranks her below the average & 69th on the overall list. The same knock on Senator Obama (87th) is often, and accurately pointed out. Current U.S. Senate Seniority
Rank Name Seniority Date Other Factors
1 Robert Byrd (D-WV) January 3, 1959
2 Ted Kennedy (D-MA) November 7, 1962
3 Daniel Inouye (D-HI) January 3, 1963
4 Ted Stevens (R-AK) December 24, 1968
5 Pete Domenici[6] (R-NM) January 3, 1973 New Mexico 37th Population (1970)
6 Joe Biden (D-DE) Delaware 46th Population (1970)
7 Patrick Leahy (D-VT) January 3, 1975
8 Richard Lugar (R-IN) January 4, 1977 Indiana 11th Population (1970)
9 Orrin Hatch (R-UT) Utah 36th Population (1970)
10 Max Baucus (D-MT) December 15, 1978
11 Thad Cochran (R-MS) December 27, 1978
12 John Warner[6] (R-VA) January 2, 1979
13 Carl Levin (D-MI) January 3, 1979
14 Chris Dodd (D-CT) January 3, 1981 Former Rep (6 years) - Connecticut 24th Population (1970)
15 Chuck Grassley (R-IA) Former Rep (6 years) - Iowa 25th Population (1970)
16 Arlen Specter (R-PA)
17 Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) January 3, 1983
18 John Kerry (D-MA) January 2, 1985
19 Tom Harkin (D-IA) January 3, 1985 Former Rep
20 Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
21 Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) January 15, 1985
22 Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) January 6, 1987 Former Rep (10 years)
23 Richard Shelby (R-AL) Former Rep (8 years)
24 John McCain (R-AZ) Former Rep (4 years) - Arizona 29th Population (1980)
25 Harry Reid (D-NV) Former Rep (4 years) - Nevada 43rd Population (1980)
26 Kit Bond (R-MO) Former Governor
27 Kent Conrad (D-ND)
28 Trent Lott (R-MS) January 3, 1989 Former Rep
29 Herb Kohl (D-WI) Wisconsin 16th Population (1980)
30 Joe Lieberman[7] (ID-CT) Connecticut 25th Population (1980)
31 Daniel Akaka (D-HI) May 16, 1990
32 Larry Craig[6] (R-ID) January 3, 1991
33 Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) November 10, 1992
34 Byron Dorgan (D-ND) December 15, 1992
35 Barbara Boxer (D-CA) January 5, 1993 Former Rep (10 years)
36 Judd Gregg (R-NH) Former Rep (8 years)
37 Russ Feingold (D-WI) Wisconsin 16th Population (1990)
38 Patty Murray (D-WA) Washington 18th Population (1990)
39 Bob Bennett (R-UT) Utah 35th Population (1990)
40 Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) June 14, 1993
41 Jim Inhofe (R-OK) November 17, 1994
42 Olympia Snowe (R-ME) January 4, 1995 Former Rep (16 years)
43 Jon Kyl (R-AZ) Former Rep (8 years)
44 Ron Wyden (D-OR) February 6, 1996
45 Sam Brownback (R-KS) November 7, 1996
46 Pat Roberts (R-KS) January 7, 1997 Former Rep (16 years)
47 Richard Durbin (D-IL) Former Rep (14 years)
48 Tim Johnson (D-SD) Former Rep (10 years)
49 Wayne Allard[6] (R-CO) Former Rep (6 years) - Colorado 26th Population (1990)
50 Jack Reed (D-RI) Former Rep (6 years) - Rhode Island 43rd Population (1990)
51 Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Louisiana 21st Population (1990)
52 Jeff Sessions (R-AL) Alabama 22nd Population (1990)
53 Gordon Smith (R-OR) Oregon 29th Population (1990)
54 Chuck Hagel[6] (R-NE) Nebraska 36th Population (1990)
55 Susan Collins (R-ME) Maine 38th Population (1990)
56 Mike Enzi (R-WY) Wyoming 50th Population (1990)
57 Chuck Schumer (D-NY) January 6, 1999 Former Rep (18 years)
58 Jim Bunning (R-KY) Former Rep (12 years)
59 Mike Crapo (R-ID) Former Rep (6 years)
60 Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) Former Rep (4 years)
61 George Voinovich (R-OH) Former Governor - Ohio 7th Population (1990)
62 Evan Bayh (D-IN) Former Governor - Indiana 15th Population (1990)
63 Bill Nelson (D-FL) January 3, 2001 Former Rep (12 years)
64 Tom Carper (D-DE) Former Rep (10 years)
65 Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) Former Rep (4 years) - Michigan 8th Population (1990)
66 John Ensign (R-NV) Former Rep (4 years) - Nevada 39th Population (1990)
67 Maria Cantwell (D-WA) Former Rep (2 years)
68 Ben Nelson (D-NE) Former Governor
69 Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
70 Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) December 20, 2002
71 Frank Lautenberg[8] (D-NJ) January 3, 2003 Previously a Senator
72 Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Former Rep (8 years) - Georgia Ranked 9th Population (2000)
73 Lindsey Graham (R-SC) Former Rep (8 years) - South Carolina Ranked 24th Population (2000)
74 John Sununu (R-NH) Former Rep (6 years)
75 Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Former Cabinet Member, Former Governor
76 Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) Former Cabinet Member
77 John Cornyn[9] (R-TX) Texas Ranked 2nd Population
78 Norm Coleman (R-MN) Minnesota Ranked 21st Population (2000)
79 Mark Pryor (D-AR) Arkansas Ranked 32nd Population (2000)
80 Richard Burr (R-NC) January 3, 2005 Former Rep (10 years)
81 Jim DeMint (R-SC) Former Rep (6 years) - South Carolina Ranked 24th Population (2000)
82 Tom Coburn (R-OK) Former Rep (6 years) - Oklahoma Ranked 27th Population (2000)
83 John Thune (R-SD) Former Rep (6 years) - South Dakota Ranked 46th Population (2000)
84 Johnny Isakson (R-GA) Former Rep (5 years, 10 months)
85 David Vitter (R-LA) Former Rep (5 years, 7 months)
86 Mel Martinez (R-FL) Former Cabinet Member
87 Barack Obama (D-IL) Illinois Ranked 5th Population (2000)
88 Ken Salazar (D-CO) Colorado Ranked 22nd Population (2000)
89 Bob Menendez (D-NJ) January 18, 2006
90 Ben Cardin (D-MD) January 3, 2007 Former Rep (20 years)
91 Bernie Sanders (I-VT) Former Rep (16 years)
92 Sherrod Brown (D-OH) Former Rep (14 years)
93 Bob Casey, Jr. (D-PA) Pennsylvania Ranked 6th Population (2000)
94 Jim Webb[10] (D-VA) Virginia Ranked 12th Population (2000)
95 Bob Corker (R-TN) Tennessee Ranked 16th Population (2000)
96 Claire McCaskill (D-MO) Missouri Ranked 17th Population (2000)
97 Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) Minnesota Ranked 21st Population (2000)
98 Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) Rhode Island Ranked 43rd Population (2000)
99 Jon Tester (D-MT) Montana Ranked 44th Population (2000)
100 John Barrasso (R-WY) June 25, 2007 What I'd like to hear about is real examples of actual leadership events - substantive actions, accomplishments that, by their leadership role, a candidate has demonstrated they are ready to lead a country rather than a campaign. Not sure where the " Where's the Beef?" lady is, or who her successor is, but it needs to be asked before we've made our order at the fast food mic & head to the pickup window to get something unknown wrapped in wax paper ready & willing to further clog the arteries of our government.
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Bill Richardson. Way back in the pack but...
"..the greatest depth of experience, as a member of Congress, UN Ambassador, Energy Secretary, and governor of New Mexico."
Tough on Iraq, unlike the front runners pledges to pull out the troops. Tough on global warming and signed into law a bill requiring New Mexico Utilities to quadruple their use of renewable energy, against "don't ask don't tell". Proudly stands for equal legal rights for all families including same sex couples. Has stated that any of his supreme court nominees would accept Roe vs. Wade as law. This guy is likeable, savvy and experienced and stands absolutely no chance.
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Exactly, yet at best he will be in Hillary's cabinet.
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You're right, Greger. And he has more experience actually solving immigration problems than all the others pout together.
And one should not ignore Biden or Dodd either, just looking at legislative and leadership experience.
But I agree with olyve. ANY of these Dem's are at least TWICE as capable of leading the country as the current Occupant. We are not looking to elect a monarch, a dictator, or a despot, we are looking to elect an articulator of an agenda, which must then stand the test of Constitutional checks and balances before it becomes policy. I'll vote for the candidate whose agenda IMHO best serves the interests of the nation as a whole, and that would be Kucinich.
If it were up to me, we would abolish the Executive Branch, or elect our Executive the way other advanced representative democracies do: in the House of Representatives.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
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Speaking as a Democrat, I'm just hoping that at some point, we can stop eating our own.
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