Originally Posted by Schlack
Originally Posted by issodhos
Originally Posted by Schlack
Originally Posted by issodhos
inner fascist.;-)

strange that youre more concerned with the imagined inner fascists and less with the real "outer" ones.

Oh my, Schlack! Surely you realize that "outer" fascism is nothing more than a manifestation resulting from when a number of us fail to maintain control over our inner fascist? You do realize that we all have an "inner fascist", don't you?

I mean, have you ever seen that "River Dance" stuff?;-)
Yours,
Issodhos

River Dance would be an expression of the "Inner Kitschist" more than anything else.

Oh, my goodness, Schlack! It's an absolute ode to fascism! All that conformity, uniform dress, movement in unison, arms welded to their sides, drums and fife, eyes glazed -- all the while jumping and thumping in response to the one freely prancing, unrestricted leader. It's positively a goose-step put to music!;-)

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amazing how you can descibe an attribute to every single human, every individual, with only having an engagement with a minute fraction of the 6 billion or so. Ihats not very individualist of you! Its a very contradictory belief for you to have (for belief it is as its not based on personal experience of all 6 billion people's inner fascist).

Sigh. Let me explain it once again -- and I will continue to do so as long as need be. Individualism is a foundational POLITICAL philosophy that pertains to the relationship between the individual and the state (or society if you prefer). This philosophy, as opposed to the reactionary political philosophy of collectivism, holds that the function of the state is to secure and safeguard the Rights of the Individual -- Rights which cannot be subordinated to the interests of the state or for the professed benefit of society.

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its one of many.

Sigh. Noted.:-(

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or instance how would one effect and individualist society without co-ercing those that dont want to be part of it?
Wouldnt one then, by the very actions of creating the individualist state be compromising the very foundation of individualist belief?

Quite simple, really. Those who prefer to voluntarilly gather together with other like-minded individuals in a communal arrangement would be perfectly free to do so. Others uninterested in such an arrangement would hopefully wish them to live long, prosper, and be happy.

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even if an individualist society were created, im intrigued as to how it would work.

could you please enlighten us on how the mechanics of such a society would work, for instance in the bulding of roads, hospitals, and other infrastructure.

I would think that a creative people loosed from governmental and arthritic societal constrant and oppression would find numerous ways of accomplishing what may be considered necessary. Some hospitals would probably function like any other business, others would be a charitable model, and others may even be a communal model. What difference does it make as long as individuals are allowed to voluntarilly chose in which to be a participant or customer? As to major roads, bridges, and such, I imagine those would be considered part of a national defense grid which is one of the few other responsibilities of a limited government. But, who knows what people will work out. A very, very common mistake made by many is to think that there would be no cooperation in a libertarian natural Rights influenced society, but voluntary cooperation is the keystone to libertarianism and would surely far surpass what passes for cooperation in the old reactionary political collectivist model. Part of being free is not always knowing the answer before first experimenting.

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How would issues be dealt with by those with an interest but are outside the sacred financial transaction (hypo alert e.g. a waste incinerator being built in an area that the prospective neighboiurs object to).

Property rights. Anyone building a waste incinerator in such a way as to negatively impact the property Rights of surrounding landowers or leasehold owners, would be held accountable for doing so and would have to make restitution or cease the infringement (whichever the surrounding landowner(s) chose). Remember, in a libertarian society one cannot agress against the Rights of another without consequence.

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i just cant see how the mechanics of such a society would work, perhaps its my inner fascist preventing me from thinking the correct way

No, it is just that the reactionary model you and many others support is based on -- indeed it requires -- the use of legitimized government violence which is used to control and oppress the recalcitrant types. That has been the model for millinnia.:-)
Yours,
Issodhos

Last edited by issodhos; 11/22/07 01:21 AM.

"When all has been said that can be said, and all has been done that can be done, there will be poetry";-) -- Issodhos