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and you can tell the difference how exactly? 1. The lack of English spoken. There is no way a person can go through the American educational system and not speak English - with the only exception to this caveat being President George W. Bush - Mr Bush does speak enough English to get by, however. Legal immigrants learn English pretty much right-away through ESL classes: English as a Second Language as EmmaG has pointed out. 2. Behavior. Standing on the street waiting for work to find you. Legal residence simply go out and look for a job or mail resumes around. 3. Lack of social security card. New borns are required to have one.
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and you can tell the difference how exactly? 1. The lack of English spoken. There is no way a person can go through the American educational system and not speak English - with the only exception to this caveat being President George W. Bush - Mr Bush does speak enough English to get by, however. Legal immigrants learn English pretty much right-away through ESL classes: English as a Second Language as EmmaG has pointed out. 2. Behavior. Standing on the street waiting for work to find you. Legal residence simply go out and look for a job or mail resumes around. 3. Lack of social security card. New borns are required to have one. My Polish-born grandparents spent the majority of their 80+ years on this planet speaking Polish. They lived in a Polish neighborhood in Detroit, shopped in Polish stores, and attended a Polish Roman Catholic church. Yeah, they picked up enough English to get by if they ventured outside their neighborhood, but they were hardly fluent. My mother didn't know a word of English until she started school...the nuns beat it into her...but she still spoke only Polish at home. As far as newborns requiring SS numbers, I believe that only applies if the parents want to claim the child as an income tax deduction. If the parents aren't filing taxes anyway...
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Rick, I suggest you visit the eastside of West Hollywood some time if you think legal immigrants speak English. What you will hear is Russian spoken exclusively by people who emigrated here 30 years ago.
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Rick, I suggest you visit the eastside of West Hollywood some time if you think legal immigrants speak English. What you will hear is Russian spoken exclusively by people who emigrated here 30 years ago. Do they also go into Vons or Costco and only speak Russian to the checkers? Probably not. There in lies the distinction.
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As far as newborns requiring SS numbers, I believe that only applies if the parents want to claim the child as an income tax deduction. If the parents aren't filing taxes anyway... ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/lol.gif) ...and I can't think of any newborn's dad that wouldn't take the opportunity to use the kid as a tax deduction. ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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Ok now this is just reaction not based on any research other than watching that movie.
Illegal aliens who go through unbelievable risks to get here, many die in the process, most don't make it, are in the streets advertising that they are illegals??? Strange, huh? Here's a thought: Apply and be approved for [b]legal immigration to the United States.[/b] ...just an idea. ![[Linked Image from i48.photobucket.com]](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/ca_rickf/Smilies/shrug.gif) You know what your question reminds me of, Rick? "Why didn't those people in New Orleans just LEAVE like they were told to do?" Rick, it's just not that easy for poor people in depressed countries (of OUR making btw) to get the relief they need. They are desperate to feed their children and have a better life. Applying for and getting legal status here is hard and expensive for the poorest people. My point in the above quote was, I don't believe it is the illegals that are in the streets advertising that they are illegal. It has been my experience (where I live) that illegals are our best behaved and silent neighbors. Olyve ps sorry Mellow....we ARE  aren't we?
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and you can tell the difference how exactly? 1. The lack of English spoken. There is no way a person can go through the American educational system and not speak English - with the only exception to this caveat being President George W. Bush - Mr Bush does speak enough English to get by, however. Legal immigrants learn English pretty much right-away through ESL classes: English as a Second Language as EmmaG has pointed out. 2. Behavior. Standing on the street waiting for work to find you. Legal residence simply go out and look for a job or mail resumes around. 3. Lack of social security card. New borns are required to have one. 1) You cannot tell someone's immigration status by the language they speak. We get a lot of English-speaking illegals as well, for one thing; for another thing, it takes years of study to be anywhere near fluent in English; many people who are here legally do not know English and may not be studying it. This one is off the mark. 2) How you go about getting a job is a reliable indicator of your immigration status? Come on, Rick, that's really poor thinking. 3) Lack of a social security card. If I'm here legally but I don't have a green card, do I get a social security card? If I'm not working and don't intend to work and intend to go back home, do I need a social security card?
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Mellow, (You’re making me work too hard -  ) I’m not at all disagreeing with the right to peacefully assemble or to engage in civil disobedience. You know, somehow I didn't think you were! However, when people have obviously not only broken the law, but that they blatantly do it in a way that in all appearance to American citizens, they do it with complete disrespect to the laws of our country…then march together in protest as though they are victims rather than perpetrators…just won’t draw much favorable and optimistic reception by most legal residents.
So Mellow…what I’m saying is:
I'm saying… that maybe their marches might be better accepted by the citizens of the U.S. if they were marching and waving the "American Flag in mass numbers” instead of waving the flags of the country where they have citizenship.
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What the American public has witnessed via the marches were DEMANDS for “justice and legal recognition” by 12 million “illegal”, undocumented immigrant workers. Again, my point is that just because I march in a parade, doesn't mean I have legal - or illegal -- status. I don't know the status of the majority of the marchers; I doubt anyone does. Just as a side note, by no means did all 12 million illegals make demands --- if 120,000 marched, that's only 1% of the illegal population.
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My question is this: What should be the appropriate penalty for each of these acts? Deportation. As others have posted, the primary problem is hiring illegal workers.
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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Good post, Austin Ranter. Good post.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
(Native American prayer)
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