Roger
Excellent post.
I wanted to use your post a s basis to respond to a few issues, But also want to make it clear that I am only clarifying my own views and not saying anything about your intentions in respect to your posting.

Originally Posted by Roger Waters
The reality is that US trade policies and the corporate multi-nationals that drive them are behind the increase in undocumented workers.

Every rich country has illegal immigration problems. My wife lived for a while on Cyprus. They have an illegal immigration problem. One would be hard pressed to connect that reality to their foreign policy or their corporate multinationals.
Originally Posted by Roger Waters
Arguing that "the law" is the issue here ignores this nation's long long history of creating immoral and unconstitutional laws.
I fully agree that the current law is horrible. When I speak of enforcing the law, I do it with the assumption that the current law is fatally flawed and some new law would have to be passed and enforced. BUT, what ever that new law is, it should be enforced or changed so it is enforceable.

Originally Posted by Roger Waters
But let's stop taking the bait by creating yet another senseless wedge issue by pretending that being environmentally sensible and socially just is another way of saying we should have open borders.
Yes, but when people use US foreign policy as a justification to support illegal immigration, then I see no basis to distinguish one undocumented immigrant from any other. And in this context, it seems that the argument is indistinguishable from proposing open borders.

Originally Posted by Roger Waters
Let us also abandon talk of the "law" when what we people are actually saying is that "we don't want no more damm Mexicans in our country!"
Some people may be saying that, I certainly am not.


"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel