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The fact that they are alreaedy in the country and we can't afford to deport them all is not preferential treatment - it's a matter of time and space. If person A is in, say, Copenhagen, filling out forms, and person B is in Denver in a meat-packing plant, person B has already got here faster. But them I'm talking about those who are here, now -- I try to work with the idea that the law might be enforced in future (although frankly I doubt it.) Should any form of sanctions be applied to employee B for not following "the rules"? Let him stay - fine, but are there sanctions?
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For the menial work that must be done onsite, like painting and cleaning and gardening and the like, we will still be required to find some likely individuals. If American citizens cannot be found to do this work at a reasonable rate of compensation, then a system of recruiting, maintaining and controlling guest workers would need to be implemented. A few days ago I heard a program that mentioned Japan's attitude toward immigrant workers. It seems that mostly the do not allow such workers. I wonder who it is that does all the menial work there? I really do wonder.
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The fact that they are alreaedy in the country and we can't afford to deport them all is not preferential treatment - it's a matter of time and space. If person A is in, say, Copenhagen, filling out forms, and person B is in Denver in a meat-packing plant, person B has already got here faster. But them I'm talking about those who are here, now -- I try to work with the idea that the law might be enforced in future (although frankly I doubt it.) Should any form of sanctions be applied to employee B for not following "the rules"? Let him stay - fine, but are there sanctions? Assuming we're talking about some sort of worker visa? Yes, there might be sanctions - a shorter period of time between renewals, maybe; if a path were to be opened for eventual citizenship, I would expect it to be more difficult. That's just it -- it doesn't have to be all or nothing -- open borders or a wall. Life isn't black and white and neither are the answers to immigration.
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Life isn't black and white and neither are the answers to immigration. Funny how elusive that simple truth has become - or maybe, always has been. I remember during the 70's particularly, there was such a great hue and cry about our poor America sliding down the slippery slope of relativism, the great lamentations over losing our black and white paradigm to shades of gray. How easily it seems that the suggestion by I believe the majority of Congress that a pathway to documentation be devised that included sizable fines and significant investment of time and energy has been transformed into that nasty un-Christian concept of "amnesty".
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
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its Anmety Steve,
havent you seen the sign?
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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its Anmety Steve,
havent you seen the sign? It's ENMITY Schlack, havent you seen the signs?
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I marched with Martin Luther King and Mitt Romney's dad in Hoboken in 1969 against illegal immigration, along with 10,000 first responders and the surviving members of my secret unit who spent 2 years serving undercover with me in Cambodia and Laos fighting the Taliban, the Cong, and leftover WW II Japs.
And I say we need to start to work immediately on setting up minefields and welcome ¡Bienvenidos! signs on the Southern Border.
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I marched with Martin Luther King and Mitt Romney's dad in Hoboken in 1969 against illegal immigration, along with 10,000 first responders and the surviving members of my secret unit who spent 2 years serving undercover with me in Cambodia and Laos fighting the Taliban, the Cong, and leftover WW II Japs.
And I say we need to start to work immediately on setting up minefields and welcome ¡Bienvenidos! signs on the Southern Border. no one can argue with such logic you win the topic Toots have some celebratoty guacamole
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
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And I say we need to start to work immediately on setting up minefields and welcome ¡Bienvenidos! signs on the Southern Border. Now if only we could find some people who would do this menial, dangerous work.
"It's not a lie if you believe it." -- George Costanza
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. --Bertrand Russel
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"I believe very deeply that compassion is the route not only for the evolution of the full human being, but for the very survival of the human race." —The Dalai Lama
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