Originally Posted by Schlack
the economic value to US employers is rarely, if ever, talked about.

Actually it is talked about. And, unfortunately, it happens that the value of these workers for US employers increases as they remain undocumented and become subject to abuse.

I completely support coming up with some program that will deal with all of these issues in an explicit and legal manner. It is not the workers that I oppose, but their illegal status and the employers who use the situation for their own profit.

Originally Posted by Schlack
I cannot even begin to describe the richness immigrants have brought to my country, we were an isolated backwater in Europe, but joining the EU and our recent immigration rush has broadened our cultural base.
Generally I agree. However Ireland has not yet had a sufficient flood of immigration that it is overwhelming the traditional local culture.

A truly charming aspect of Europe is all the many distinct cultures and micro cultures. At some point, immigration can reach a level where the distinctive local culture is eroded. Where that happens in Europe, you will find local residents objecting.

One reason that Japan has been so adamant in refusing immigrant workers is because they want to protect their culture. And, yes, this is causing a problem for them in that there are insufficient care givers for the aging population.

Originally Posted by Schlack
yet the discussion jumps right into penalties.

With all respect, Schlack, I think the title of this thread may have something to do with that.

Ardy

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