The driver of illegal immigration is greed. Greed of employers, of politicians, of the Catholic Church, of the Mexican government, and of the illegal aliens of all nationalities. If an employer could move a farm, construction site, or hotel oversees to outsource to cheap labor then they would. Instead they import illegal alien labor and tell the public how 'essential' the foreign scab labor is. U.S. citizens have been reduced to tax payers and consumers (until the money runs out).

Illegal immigration is THE number one threat to our nation. China is number two. Our foreign policy fuels both threats.

Every time an uneducated foreigner illegally enters the U.S. the country doesn't expand in territory and the treasury doesn't increase in size. Both the land and the economy suffer from the strain. The illegal aliens ARE NOT essential to our economy, but they are essential to the Mexican economy due to the 25 billion ($25,000,000,000) sent home each year. If that pay went to citizens then that $25B would stay in our economy.

At the same time, the average illegal alien family consumes $3 of public services for every $1 they contribute. This amounts to a net cost of $1,800 per tax payer to pay for the public services consumed by illegal aliens. Perhaps Phil, Olyve, Mellow, and other illegal alien apologists would like to chip in to compensate the rest of us for such public largess.

It is irresponsible to discuss the consequences of illegal immigration without watching the 16 minute video "immigration gumballs" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871651411393887069). I would appreciate hearing from those who are all for the illegal alien invasion to rebut that video.

There are about 30 million illegal aliens in the U.S.; with about 23 million from Mexico, about 3 million from China, and the rest from other countries. The Hispanic illegals are so large in number that politicians are now trying to use them to thwart the will of the citizens. It will get ugly if the government doesn't listen and act to reduce illegal aliens in our country.

How to achieve that brings us back to the topic of this thread:

Immediately -
- Confirmation of all social security numbers being used in the U.S. (If they can send a tax bill then they can accomplish this)

- Train and expect all local law enforcement agencies to enforce immigration laws.

- Severe penalties for employers who hire illegals - fines, jail, loss of business.

- Cease birthright citizenship.

- Absolutely no public services or education for illegals. Life threatening injuries are the only exception. After a while they won't be in the country to abuse the system anyways.

- Free transportation to the border for any illegal alien needing a ride.

- Give Mastercard a contract to issue cards to all aliens entering on a visa, and then using that card at ATMs to verify their presence periodically. The card will expire at the end of the visa period and if they remain in the U.S. then they become illegal and subject to arrest.

Within 1 year -
- Any illegal aliens still in the U.S. will be arrested and will serve two years of hard labor before being returned to their country of origin.

- End the 'war on drugs' and parole nonviolent drug offenders, who are unskilled, under the condition that they take take physical menial work, take responsibility for any children they have, and take advantage of opportunities for education.
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This is doable.
This will strengthen our economy and help heal our nation's culture.
Anything less will be national suicide.