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This whole stimulus plan is a smoke screen by both parties. They're partners in deception.
The economic problems apparently are beyond the scope of the intellect of either party to resolve this mess.
It's going to take new blood with immense business experience and sense...but most of all it's going to take a big swing in the American consumer confidence to overcome the credit scams perpetrated on the public. Yes, individuals have a role in the blame, but there are steps to overcome these problems.
The first step for each person in this country is to admit there is a problem and they have a role in the problem, but they also have a role in executing solutions.
Turn on ANY brand of political machine - and it automatically goes to the "SPIN and LIE CYCLE" 
Yours Truly - Gregg
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I absolutely agree, Gregg, and it is past high-time for our "leaders" to acknowledge their errors.
A well reasoned argument is like a diamond: impervious to corruption and crystal clear - and infinitely rarer.
Here, as elsewhere, people are outraged at what feels like a rigged game -- an economy that won't respond, a democracy that won't listen, and a financial sector that holds all the cards. - Robert Reich
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He claimed that the "average" taxpayer would have to pay "$1800.00" in more taxes if the tax breaks expire, but failed to note how that "average" came about. These people are so good at deception, they even fooled you, friend. Here's what he actually said, according to the transcript at CNN:Some in Washington argue that letting tax relief expire is not a tax increase.
Try explaining that to 116 million American taxpayers who will see their taxes rise by an average of $1,800. Naturally, the impression they wish to convey is that we average taxpayers, those in the $35K-$95K income range, is just as you expressed it, Ponderer. But just as with the "imminent threat" of Iraq's WMD's (they never said "imminent"), or "we don't do torture" (they changed the definition of torture to "things we don't do"), they didn't claim that the average taxpayer would pay $1800 more. I'm sure that few but the most astute will note the difference, if it slipped past such an astute fellow as you. Speaking of deception, check out this item from our friends at Faux News. Frank Luntz encapsulated the way Faux News makes news faux: LUNTZ: Well Alan, if I knew that there was going to be math, I don't think I would have signed up with FOX News.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
(Native American prayer)
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I just put on my fishing waders over my cowboy boots. In fact, the B.S. from Washington is getting so deep that I may have to sleep in my waders. I'm beginning to dream about all of this crap. Fiction writers can't make up stuff as good as what's pouring out of Uncle Sam's Department of Citizen Deception.
Turn on ANY brand of political machine - and it automatically goes to the "SPIN and LIE CYCLE"
Yours Truly - Gregg
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Don't you love it when all the Republican candidates seem to think Reaganomics was a good thing?
I like to see every candidate that brings this up quizzed about what exactly they mean by it (see if they know what it is), and make them explain why if it even was the reason the economy improved during the Reagan years (that's in dispute) how and why it would work today.
Also ask if they think Bush applied Reaganomics, and if they say yes, ask why it didn't work.
As for our illustrious glad to see his behind leaving Beacon Hill ex-governor, Mitt Romney, the first week in office our new Democratic Governor Deval Patrick discovered Romney left a whopping big annual deficit that he cleverly hid from everyone.
Of course us Bay Staters know that during Romney's tenure the state lost jobs. This from the man who as a gubernatorial candidate promised to use his business expertise to bring jobs to the state.
Ironically, during the last year the state of Michigan has been advertising on our TV stations trying to lure away job areas that have been a Massachusetts strength, high tech electronics and medical research.
As for Romney starting Bain Capitol, someone should nail him for all the jobs lost as he grew that giant investment corporation by merging companies and causing thousands of workers to be laid off.
Yeah, the Olympics was fun, so why doesn't he angle for a job as baseball commissioner?
Oh, I forgot, that's been promised to Secretary of State Condi Rice.
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Hal,
TINKLE-DOWN Economics
As the old saying goes, "If the horses eat good hay, then the birds eat good, provided that they like to eat manure."
Turn on ANY brand of political machine - and it automatically goes to the "SPIN and LIE CYCLE"
Yours Truly - Gregg
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. . . the first week in office our new Democratic Governor Deval Patrick discovered Romney left a whopping big annual deficit that he cleverly hid from everyone. Ooh, that's so good to know! For those of us who fear a potential McCain/Romney ticket, a ballooning economic scandal (what did he do? and when did he do it?) would be so helpful.
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
(Native American prayer)
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Boston News "When Gov. Romney took office, he faced a $3 billion deficit," Fehrnstrom said. "He balanced the budget primarily through spending cuts and reforms. Fee increases accounted for approximately 10 percent of the solution, and they were not broad-based by any means."
At the time, Romney defended his fee hikes, saying many hadn't been raised in years. As proof of his fiscal austerity, he pointed to his $2 billion in proposed cuts and support for a reduction in the state income tax rate.
"For me, generally, a fee is something which applies to a subset of the population. A tax is something which is far more broadly applied," Romney said in 2003.
But others said the fee hikes were simply an attempt by Romney to protect his political reputation as a tax foe for a possible future campaign for president.
"It's a shell game," said Julian Zelizer, professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. "He can still say he didn't raise taxes, but fees are taxes by another name. It's a trick."
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Bob Hachey, president of Bay State Council of the Blind, said that while the fees were relatively modest, they could have made life harder on blind individuals on fixed incomes. He said Romney's penchant for fees even earned him a nickname.
"We renamed him 'Fee-Fee.' He was so unwilling to raise taxes that he was wanting to put all these fees in place instead," Hachey said.
Turn on ANY brand of political machine - and it automatically goes to the "SPIN and LIE CYCLE"
Yours Truly - Gregg
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Interesting, here in California Schwarzenegger also "will not raise taxes" but is loose with "fees." His latest is to add a "fee" to all homeowner insurance policies to finance increased fire protection in high risk areas.
Life is a banquet -- and most poor suckers are starving to death -- Auntie Mame
You are born naked and everything else is drag - RuPaul
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Lessee, I'm imagining Arnold standing on the running board of his Hummer when he says "I dare yoo too call it a tahks!"
Steve Give us the wisdom to teach our children to love,
to respect and be kind to one another,
so that we may grow with peace in mind.
(Native American prayer)
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