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Off topic though it may be - I regret to inform you that that is exactly what Dennis has done. His Presidential campaign is over precisely because Nancy Pelosi and the DLC threatened to bury him in his re-election bid back in his home district in Cleveland.

Steve, that was certainly a factor, and it angers me. If the DLC continues and succeeds in its efforts to hijack this election for Hillary (watch for Edwards to endorse her) then I will join those who have sworn to bail from the party.

I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that the DLC is attempting to hijack this election for Hillary. Can you post some? And your parenthetical comment intrigues me - what is the connection you see between Edwards and the DLC?

OK The DLC and Edwards publicly parted ways, but if Edwards endorses Clinton, then I will take it as a sign that he never really left them - that his parting was a charade, a necessary prerequisite to running against their royal family.

Whooooooooooa...

Steve, you're saying Dennis QUIT the presidential race for reasons you've stated above? That Dennis was threatened with the potential to lose his current and hopefully future elected post because of Ms. P and the DLC? Wow! AND...he gave in?

I was aware that he was, or is, in a fight to keep his seat, but not because of the above. Hmmmmmm, well, I don't doubt you, I just want to know more about it.

Me too!

Also, I think that Edwards, although he probably wouldn't do it, would be an excellent running mate for Obama. He can provide some of the substance and fire that Obama lacks in his erudition, and he can certainly be the bulldog. I just don't think that he wants to be in that shadow, although the thought of taking the reins in 2016 must be awfully tempting for someone who has sought the top spot twice.

Yes, my friend, I am sorry to say it, but that appears to be what has happened. I'd have to go back and dig up some links to give you sources, but in a nutshell what happened was that Dennis got up on the floor of the House and announced that he was going to file articles of impeachment against Mr. Bush coinciding with the SOTU (from which announcement speech comes my current sig line). He was reprimanded on the spot and threatened with censure if he didn't make an apology for his comment (the one in my sig line), which apology he then made, and asked that his earlier comments be stricken from the record.

Meanwhile, back in the home district, funds began dropping from the sky in support of another Democratic candidate challenging him in the primary. Overnight, Dennis shifted his fundraising pleas from his bid for the Presidency to his bid for re-election to Congress.

I know it doesn't sound like the windmill tilter we have come to know and admire, but hey, he can't do much tilting if he doesn't have a seat in the House of Windmills, can he? It's been my contention all along that the least admirable aspect of Dennis' candidacy was his apparent belief that he could actually win the nomination. I'm personally relieved that he has changed his focus. He fought the good fight. He got beat up pretty badly. He needs to live to fight again.

By the way, what happened to Feingold's resolution to censure the President? (as a Senator, he couldn't bring articles of impeachment, or I'm pretty sure he would have tried...)

I'll bounce off the Dennis discussion & try to head us back to the topic at hand (noting, as I go, that said discussion might well be worthy of its own thread) --

I am always surprised by those who feel that one candidate, or one election, can turn everything around. You want to talk "ship of state," this is a very big ship and it doesn't exactly turn on a dime.

To expect Dennis Kucinich - or anyone else for that matter - to ride up on a pure white horse and Change Everything (and yes, Obama, Clinton, and McCain, that includes you too) strikes me as naivete.

Handbaskets to hell can travel quite quickly, as we've seen - still, a lot of groundwork was laid to pave the way, over more than one previous administration, as other threads have discussed.

It isn't all going to get fixed by one candidate, or even two terms. Repairs are going to take a long time, I'm afraid - the Supreme Court membership doesn't change with a new President, for instance.

I know that we all want it Fixed, Dammit, and Right Now, but it just isn't going to happen that way, and I wonder if anyone is doing the long-term planning that needs to be done to get us back on track.

Thanks, Steve. Well, at least he didn't wimp out, he got some blows in. I still have to admire the man. He's had to fight so many uphill battles. Now it seems that he'll have to struggle a bit to keep his house seat.

If he doesn't keep his seat, Dennis will certainly not have to hang his head in shame...he indeed has been a fighter and you are correcto-mundo about fighting again. Those he has served in Ohio will be losing an important voice if he doesn't win at home.