Originally Posted by issodhos
I suspect you are both looking for a semantic escape.

My understanding of "rights" is that they are what a particualr group of people, or society decide are "rights" at a particualar time. usually, now, codified in documents such as constitutions and the UN charter on Human rights.

agreed upon, voted upon or otherwise ratified.

As philosophies politics, society and economics change and evolve so do rights.

the only natural right you have is the one you're born with. the right to exist. All others are inventions.

"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words."
(Philip K.Dick)