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Nope. Some might, especially the older crowd, but I have always been a proponent of equality in every workplace, including the military. most of my high school and college women friends feel the same way.

My daughter was heavily recruited by the USAF. They even offered to get her into the ROTC or the AF Academy. But when it came to picking the MOS she wanted, she was denied, even though she had scored higher than any male at her high school. Why? Because she wanted to be a fighter pilot. She has always kept herself in great physical condition and was an athelete since 3rd grade. She played war with her younger brothers and male cousins and had Barbie kicking GI Joe's a$$. So she told the AF "No" and why.

If you males can't stand the thought of a female being blown up, then maybe it's time for those who can't stand the heat to get out of the kitchen...pun intended.

I'll echo Scout's position; equality means everybody.

I am a pacifist, so I can't say that I'm "for" anyone becoming a soldier. But to have a draft, for example, that selects only young men is unfair both to the young men and to the young women.

I agree that one death in war is too many. I just don't think the sex of the soldier makes a difference.

Lordy I'm going to get myself in trouble here;

Let me preface this response with the fact that I am a feminisit through and through, however;

There is a physical difference between men and women. As far as the draft you really couldn't draft women. I have every respect for a woman who wants to serve in the military. Yes I do believe that a woman who willingly goes into the Military, who is trained both physcially and mentally , can serve along with a man.

However there is one large elephant in the room that many avoid seeing...SEX. How many of our female soliders are raped, molested or harassed in the military? Many more than anyone wants to address. The military wants to keep it under wraps because well, they are the military. Americans don't want to see it because they don't want to believe their good little boys would do such a thing. Woman don't want to see it because they want to prove that men and woman can serve beside each with no consequence. Meantime the women keep getting raped and abused and no one wants to do anything about it.

I don't have the answers and my hope would that someday any woman who wanted to serve her country could do so safely. It's bad enough that they have to worry about what the enemy could do to them, but they also have to worry about what their own could do to them. You couldn't ask women to be put into that situation with no choice, sorry.

On the other hand a draft which included daddy's little girl could bring about the end of any war rather quickly. I still contend though that we have not evolved far enough yet that would allow us to take that chance with the lives of so many young women.

May I suggest that the use of the word "sex" in discussions such as this is both misleading and unnecessarily charged. What we are really speaking of is gender, not sex. It may seem minor, but whenever the word "sex" appears it charges the discussion with topics that are not pertinent.

Unless, of course, we are talking about, for example, male soldiers having sex with female soldiers, or male on male, etc.

Minor point, but I suggest cleaning up the use of language often yields surprising results.

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Redheat, it seems to me that is reverse genderism. Israel has a draft that includes women as do other countries. Differences in how people are deployed can be made on bases other than gender -- strength, intelligence, experience, etc.

Do you have any links regarding rape of women in the military? I am not doubting it occurs just wanted some additional background.

Thanks, Phil - I always get it wrong, every time, thinking (incorrectly) "gender NOUNS, sex HUMANS" My apologies. Gender it is from here on out.

Redheat, I understand the point you are making, but to say that women shouldn't be drafted because of the danger of rape has a real flaw.

The Army has soldiers who are a danger to other soldiers. The Army needs to solve that problem. The female soldiers here are not the problem; the soldiers who are also rapists are the problem.

I have read a great deal about the problems some of our (female) soldiers have faced: sexual harassment, assault, and rape. But again, the Army (and other branches of the service) need to deal with that, not by removing the good soldier, but by removing the bad one.

Good point, but I think we have discovered this country has it's own mindset. Could the US Military do the same as Israel? yes possibly eventually, but I still think we have to evolve a bit more.


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Given again that this is a story being ignored there is not a pluthera of articles, but there are enough to suggest it is a huge problem. I doubt very much if Isarel or the other countries who draft women would be willing to release their stats of females soliders being raped or abused... but I'd like to see them.

No offense but you can test that theory with your own daughter. As for mine I'd rather she never be put into a situation where she has to count on the Military to deal with that "bad" soldier.

No offense taken, but I can test that theory with EVERYone's daughter, which is why I say the military needs to find and punish the guilty.

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