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Joe Keegan #61894 05/03/08 11:58 AM
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you may have missed it but the war is well underway

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Six weeks ago, President Bush signed a secret finding authorizing a covert offensive against the Iranian regime that, according to those familiar with its contents, "unprecedented in its scope."

Bush’s secret directive covers actions across a huge geographic area – from Lebanon to Afghanistan – but is also far more sweeping in the type of actions permitted under its guidelines – up to and including the assassination of targeted officials. This widened scope clears the way, for example, for full support for the military arm of Mujahedin-e Khalq, the cultish Iranian opposition group, despite its enduring position on the State Department's list of terrorist groups.


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In a starkly strange almost surreal world if it had not been touched by the clumsy hands of powers beyond my mere human comprehension, "US commanders are increasingly concerned by Iranian interference in Iraq". And so United States is drawing up plans to strike an Iranian insurgency camp.

Did it ever occur to these people that Iran has been increasing concerned about US interference in Iraq? And even more bizarre the US occupies the Iranian neighbor, Iraq? Have I missed something ... is Iraq our 51st state?


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Originally Posted by rporter314
In a starkly strange almost surreal world if it had not been touched by the clumsy hands of powers beyond my mere human comprehension, "US commanders are increasingly concerned by Iranian interference in Iraq". And so United States is drawing up plans to strike an Iranian insurgency camp.

Did it ever occur to these people that Iran has been increasing concerned about US interference in Iraq? And even more bizarre the US occupies the Iranian neighbor, Iraq? Have I missed something ... is Iraq our 51st state?

Making Iraq the 51st State is probably McCain's new energy policy that he's recently made the claim that it will prevent Americans from going on foreign soil to protect oil resources needed for national security.

Ahhhh, it all makes sense now.

Considering that Rumsfeld sold weapons of mass destruction to Iraq in the 80s, which Saddam used to kill about 250,000 Iranians...I think that Iran might have some reservations about American occupation in Iraq.


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Campaign Against Sanctions and Military Intervention in Iran. Interesting article there that military admitted that the weapons were not made in Iran.

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Joe, I'm with you. However, Congress has already decided to give Bush the authority to act as he will against Iran. They had their chance to tell him no and the Democrats rolled over and let it go. I'm sure you are not surprised. I wasn't.

Don't be surprised when Pelosi and the rest of Democratic members of the Washington/Corporate Party are re-elected. Why shouldn't they do as the damn well please? The public doesn't really care.


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And a wee bit of hope from one of the few constants in the Democratic Party:

May 8, 2008
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear Mr. President:

We are writing to register our strong opposition to possible unilateral, preemptive military action against other nations by the Executive Branch without Congressional authorization. As you know, Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the power "to declare war," to lay and collect taxes to "provide for the common defense" and general welfare of the United States, to "raise and support armies," to "provide and maintain a navy," to "make rules for the regulation for the land and naval forces," to "provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions," to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia," and to "make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution ... all ... powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States." Congress is also given exclusive power over the purse. The Constitution says, "No money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law."

By contrast, the sole war powers granted to the Executive Branch through the President can be found in Article II, Section, which states, "The President shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States." Nothing in the history of the "Commander-in-Chief" clause suggests that the authors of the provision intended it to grant the Executive Branch the authority to engage U.S. forces in military action whenever and wherever it sees fit without any prior authorization from Congress.

In our view, the founders of our country intended this power to allow the President to repel sudden attacks and immediate threats, not to unilaterally launch, without congressional approval, preemptive military actions against foreign countries. As former Republican Representative Mickey Edwards recently wrote, "[t]he decision to go to war ... is the single most difficult choice any public official can be called upon to make. That is precisely why the nation’s Founders, aware of the deadly wars of Europe, deliberately withheld from the executive branch the power to engage in war unless such action was expressly approved by the people themselves, through their representatives in Congress."

Members of Congress, including the signatories of this letter, have previously expressed concern about this issue. On April 25, 2006, sixty-two Members of Congress joined in a bipartisan letter that called on you to seek congressional approval before making any preemptive military strikes against Iran. Fifty-seven Members of Congress have co-sponsored H. Con. Res. 33, which expresses the sense of Congress that the President should not initiate military action against Iran without first obtaining authorization from Congress.

Our concerns in this area have been heightened by more recent events. The resignation in mid-March of Admiral William J. "Fox" Fallon from the head of U.S. Central Command, which was reportedly linked to a magazine article that portrayed him as the only person who might stop your Administration from waging preemptive war against Iran, has renewed widespread concerns that your Administration is unilaterally planning for military action against that country. This is despite the fact that the December 2007 National Intelligence Estimate concluded that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003, a stark reversal of previous Administration assessments.

As we and others have continued to review troubling legal memoranda and other materials from your Administration asserting the power of the President to take unilateral action, moreover, our concerns have increased still further. For example, although federal law is clear that proceeding under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) "shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance" can be conducted within the U.S. for foreign intelligence purposes, 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(f), the Justice Department has asserted that the National Security Agency’s warrantless wiretapping in violation of FISA is "supported by the President’s well-recognized inherent constitutional authority as Commander in Chief and sole organ for the Nation in foreign affairs". As one legal expert has explained, your Administration’s "preventive paradigm" has asserted "unchecked unilateral power" by the Executive Branch and violated "universal prohibitions on torture, disappearance, and the like."

Late last year, Senator Joseph Biden stated unequivocally that "the president has no authority to unilaterally attack Iran, and if he does, as Foreign Relations Committee chairman, I will move to impeach" the president.

We agree with Senator Biden, and it is our view that if you do not obtain the constitutionally required congressional authorization before launching preemptive military strikes against Iran or any other nation, impeachment proceedings should be pursued. Because of these concerns, we request the opportunity to meet with you as soon as possible to discuss these matters. As we have recently marked the fifth year since the invasion of Iraq, and the grim milestone of 4,000 U.S. deaths in Iraq, your Administration should not unilaterally involve this country in yet another military conflict that promises high costs to American blood and treasure.

Sincerely,
The Honorable John Conyers
Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee



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Now there's a true patriot who actually takes his oath of office seriously.
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I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Bravo, Rep. Conyers!


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Originally Posted by Slipped Mickey
Joe, I'm with you. However, Congress has already decided to give Bush the authority to act as he will against Iran. They had their chance to tell him no and the Democrats rolled over and let it go. I'm sure you are not surprised. I wasn't.

Don't be surprised when Pelosi and the rest of Democratic members of the Washington/Corporate Party are re-elected. Why shouldn't they do as the damn well please? The public doesn't really care.

Mick,

The democrats rolled over in a very big and public way when Pelosi took impeachment off the table. I couldn't believe it, and then began asking myself, why? It didn't make any sense. The dems were given a mandate to get us out of Iraq and, to a lesser extent, deconstruct Bush's Police State. Powerful political lobbies obviously played a role; however, possibly there's something else going on, as well? A pending economic crisis? The dollars shaky and now that they've got us used to 4 FRN's/gal it's just a matter of time before gas is 5/gal. Bridges are collapsing in our own country and we're borrowing to destroy the infrastructure in Iraq, and CONgress for the most part has given the green light to do Iran next. Moral, ethical, legal, and plain decency issues aside, it doesn't make any sense. The public will care in a very big way when these chickens come home to roost.

Joe

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This is not new. As long as the administration has been trying to hoodwink the American public with the propaganda that Iran is supplying he weapons killing American soldiers, the military has come right behind them and "fixed" the misinformation. Now it is a two pronged attack by both the administration and the military but there still seems to be some in the military who can not abide by this simplistic propaganda and continue to clear the record. Read Bill Roggio's blog for more misinformation (he is one of the neocon agents who write for WS and purvey the standard administration purré).


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