Capitol Hill Blue Forums Life and Moral Issues Crime & Punishment Court rejects death penalty for raping children

You are kidding right? It's a complusion thus the reason many of them molest as many children as they can get their hand on. You honestly think that once they go to jail that compulsion magically disappears? Do you think psychopaths can go to jail never to murder again?





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Red, I did not deny I higher rate of recidivism, in fact i cited studies that show that. But that is a very far cry from your claim that they will always do so.

Let me put it this way. Imagine a man close to you, husband, father, son or brother, is a child sex offender. He is convicted of raping a child. At sentencing, the state asks for the death penalty based upon the testimony of a psychologist that he is a "compulsive offender and is 45% likely to re-offend."

Would you then think the death penalty is proper? If so, please explain why the 55% likelihood of not re-offending isn't persuasive to avoid the death penalty?

I agree with Phil that there is a proportionality issue here. Death is too good for these creeps. Crimes such as rape, regardless of the age of the victim, cry out for Arabic justice: steal once, lose a hand, etc. Seems a return of the stockade is in order here. This one, not the Fort Apache kind.

http://www.knightsedge.com/medieval-weapons/medieval-stockade.htm

A very, very long time in the stockade seems proportionate to the emotional stockade in which the victim must live out life. Proportionate.

I have no problem with an accused person being vigorously defended. It is the convicted molester that should get the death penalty. saying that emotion cannot be involved is ridiculous, as that is, in part, what is assaulted by the perpetrator. As Redheat has said, these sociopaths/pschopaths took innocence, safety, trust and sometimes life from the victims. These were basically murdered and can never be returned. I know for a fact that the man who molested me went on to molest others, including his own daughter. He felt he had a right to do so, that his gratification was paramount to anything else. I am not talking about the kid over eighteen that messes around with a girlfriend a couple of years younger. I am talking about a man who targeted an eight year old girl and threatened to kill her family if she told anyone. Emotional? Damn right! It's emotional to know that this monster walked around, able to perpetrate his evil on other young girls and we were powerless to stop it. That guy deserves death.

When it's possible to restore what these monsters took away from me and other victims and their families, THEN I will be against the death penalty.

Originally posted by Agnostic~


No, it wouldn't bother me one bit. A molester is a molester, whether they wear a backwards collar or a T-s*** and jeans.

There is a very good reason to NOT have the death penalty for child rape: It gives the "child abducter" type some reason not to kill his victim when he is finished with him or her. For some that won't matter, but I think that there are abducters who are organized and rational enough to plan to minimise the penalty if they are caught. Pedophiles cetainly do go to the trouble of traveling to foreign countries where the penalties may be less severe.

It is very difficult to settle on a "proportional" penalty because all sorts of different actions are lumped together under the same offense. There are boys convicted of a sexual offense against their girl friend when their ages just straddle some age boundary, in the context of a loving and consentual relationship. There are older men taking advantage of a teenage girl's inexperience, but again with consent. There are true pedophiles who gently cultivate a preteen to seduce them. There are authority figures who convince children to submit. Then there are the abducters who grab a child, rape them for hours (or even years), and then kill them or sell them into slavery. All of these are different crimes and all deserve appropriate penalties.

I specifically said not the girlfriend/boyfriend thing. But the cultivating of young girls and boys by pedophiles is a heinous crime. I don't think that every sexual offense is the same. I do not feel that the death penalty would encourage offenders to kill their victims. Sources have shown that offenders need to ratchet up the violence to continue getting their jollies. So I would still be for the deayh penalty in child rape/molestation convictions.

To those who advocate having a death penalty, I repeat hoping for a response.



Remember, 80% of child molestations are at the hands of a close family member.

he must be very busy then...


i know, i know ill let myself out, but a topic like this needs some levity lest it drive me to tears

schlack, that was both well timed, and timed well.

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I wonder. What sort of studies have been done, if any, to determine WHY certain adults act in this fashion? this would probably join the growing list of studies we can't touch.

In the 1970s and the early 90s, medical research proved that marijuana stopped or slowed the progression of several cancers, including typically fatal lung cancer.

In the 1930s, 50s and 70s, research suggested a connection between the incidence of mental illness and the strength of self-reported belief in a particular religious deity.

the possibility of those issues being studied today, without a radical change in leadership, are nil. The same goes towards determining the cause of predatory sexual behavior. Even though we could probably determine cause, effect, potential treatment, or at least prevention of future wrongdoing, we won't see real research this year.